Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the club

[hilts]

Winning 1 league title with the amount Mancini has spent should not make him untouchable. While he won the league, he got eliminated 2 times in a row in the CL group stages. Same with the FA cup last season.

Good season in the League last season. But hardly a miracle with the squad he had....but awful in the rest of the competitions (expect the carling cup). This season he did even worse in the CL (how he has managed that i never know)....and is doing worse in the league as well. People have every right to question whether he is the man to take City forward from here.

But tbf, he couldn't have done much better in the 2010/2011 season. That was a great season.

Again, we need to separate the "Chelsea way" debate from the debate on whether or not Mancini should stay.

They are two totally separate things.

With the exception of the rags and recently, Arsenal, all clubs operate "the Chelsea way" mate.

Luckily for Chelsea, they have huge amounts of money and they have some real quality players.

Had they won nowt I could understand and would probably agree that they have gone about things the wrong way but they have, therefore rubbishing that opinion.

It might be a little unpalatable to some and that's fair enough but it has worked for Roman and Chelsea.

The Chelsea analogy is a poor one in my book, the spine of the team was from Ranieri and taken on under Mourinho, what this team had was not only very good players but also determination to succeed, the likes of cech,cole,terry lampard and drogba don't need a manager to motivate them or tell them how to play.

Managers such as Hiddink,Ancelotti,avram grant just sent those teams out and had to do very little with them, as long as the players were happy all was okay

the senior players were unhappy with scolari and AVB and only then did performances suffer, these players have in effect managed Chelsea, hell even di matteo went back to them last year and won the CL last year

Abramovich's policy of sacking managers hasn't brought them any success at all

 

[MSP]

the likes of cech,cole,terry lampard and drogba don't need a manager to motivate them or tell them how to play.

Let's cut the manager position at top football then, there's plenty of players like that in many top clubs, why paying for managers then.

 

[blueinsa]

Again, we need to separate the "Chelsea way" debate from the debate on whether or not Mancini should stay.

They are two totally separate things.

With the exception of the rags and recently, Arsenal, all clubs operate "the Chelsea way" mate.

Luckily for Chelsea, they have huge amounts of money and they have some real quality players.

Had they won nowt I could understand and would probably agree that they have gone about things the wrong way but they have, therefore rubbishing that opinion.

It might be a little unpalatable to some and that's fair enough but it has worked for Roman and Chelsea.

The Chelsea analogy is a poor one in my book, the spine of the team was from Ranieri and taken on under Mourinho, what this team had was not only very good players but also determination to succeed, the likes of cech,cole,terry lampard and drogba don't need a manager to motivate them or tell them how to play.

Managers such as Hiddink,Ancelotti,avram grant just sent those teams out and had to do very little with them, as long as the players were happy all was okay

the senior players were unhappy with scolari and AVB and only then did performances suffer, these players have in effect managed Chelsea, hell even di matteo went back to them last year and won the CL last year

Abramovich's policy of sacking managers hasn't brought them any success at all

I will argue it has in that Roman knows his players are quality and probably shares our view that top players need little in the way of coaching/interference and as you say, need to be let of the leash and allowed to play so to speak.

Once a manager starts to fuck with the harmony behind the scenes, players these days will spit the dummy and Roman has got rid.

Fair fucks to him I say.

 

[Dethred]

To those saying that the Strikers bear the blame, please tell me specifically what they need to do? Take pot shots from outside the box when the other team is parking the bus in front of the goal? More accurately pass the ball through 22 opponent legs in a space the width of the goal posts? Head the ball from a cross that doesn't come in?

I have never seen a team have 4 world class strikers score this few goals. If the rest of the team were performing and the strikers were just floundering about and slowly jogging to try and beat defenders, then there might be a point to make. Could they do better? I'm not sure under what conditions you couldn't say a player could do better. Is the goal drought their fault? That would be a coincidence of massive proportion.

No one is saying they want Mancini to be sacked. We all want him to win everything and stay around till he's older and more senile than Baconface... but if he isn't getting results then its something that must happen eventually.

Unless he turns things around in the next week or two, I would be genuinely surprised if he wasn't packing his things by late February. Dead bottom of the CL group and no Premier league Trophy will demand a response from the leadership.

 

[hilts]

the likes of cech,cole,terry lampard and drogba don't need a manager to motivate them or tell them how to play.

Let's cut the manager position at top football then, there's plenty of players like that in many top clubs, why paying for managers then.

Great response well thought out

 

[Benarbia]

My gripe with Mancini is that he is so stubborn and its to the clubs detriment. Ultimately it will be his downfall

 

[Cellarite]

Two of the most successful club sides in world football, Barca and real change manager/coach more than we change underwear and it doesn't stop them.

Barcelona are 6 months into the reign of their 3rd manager in the last 9 years and that's only because Guardiola wanted time away from the game. It's hardly a revolving door is it?

 

[MSP]

the likes of cech,cole,terry lampard and drogba don't need a manager to motivate them or tell them how to play.

Let's cut the manager position at top football then, there's plenty of players like that in many top clubs, why paying for managers then.

Great response well thought out

Not much thinking was needed for it, tbh.

There are some people who are saying that line for Barcelona - aaah, they're so good they don't even need manager. And then someone/anyone who spent his whole life in football come to TV and say it's a nonsense.

 

[moomba]

Conjecture as to whether they would have won more and we can argue that till the cows come home but their record aint bad.

As for disagreeing about all clubs except those, name the ones that copy the rags and are successful as im at a lost.

Two of the most successful club sides in world football, Barca and real change manager/coach more than we change underwear and it doesn't stop them.

Build a quality squad, hire a quality coach with the right balance of tactical ability and man management and you will reap the rewards.

Personnel can change but the formula remains the same as far as im concerned.

I think you and me have different ideas of what is meant by the Chelsea way.

I'm not arguing for a second that clubs should never change managers, Barcelona have sacked one in the last ten years and it worked out well for them. Madrid on the other hand had a policy for a long while of chopping and changing managers and to me it worked to their detriment.

My problem with the way Chelsea go about things is that the players have been handed absolute power at that club. They down tools just about every year when they're not happy with the manager. One of the reasons they lose faith in the manager is because they need to phase out the senior players (and most powerful in the dressing room). 1 title in 6 years (soon to be 7) for a club that has spent more than any on transfer fees and wages than anyone is a poor return. If we end up not winning another title in the next six years I'll be pretty disappointed with our return.

 

[blueinsa]

Two of the most successful club sides in world football, Barca and real change manager/coach more than we change underwear and it doesn't stop them.

Barcelona are 6 months into the reign of their 3rd manager in the last 9 years and that's only because Guardiola wanted time away from the game. It's hardly a revolving door is it?

Hardly building a so called dynasty under one man either imo.

like I said, build the squad, appoint a coach with the right balance and hey presto.

Barca are a club built around a footballing ethos and wont ever rely on just one man at the helm and they are regarded, rightly so as the benchmark for us all.