adr2.8i said:with mancini in charge my gut feeling is that we wont suceed in europe, but that doesnt mean we should sack him. i still think we will win the prem this year.
slightly worried with his comments after last nights game mind.
"its my fault, i prepared badly for this game"
your the manager, you should be prepared for everygame and so should the players.
he has his faults (zonal marking and 3 at the back) but lets not get carried away. 12 years ago we were in the championship ffs, just look at us now!
GaudinoMotors said:What a shower of fickle drama queens some have become. Five months ago Mancini achieved something I never thought I'd ever see - and that was a year after two incredible winning trips Wembley! We beat United when it really matters - in a cup semi and then thrash them 6 - 1 at their place!!! He has earned and deserves more respect than some clowns on here are giving him. Don't tell me success and wealth hasn't gone to the heads of some on here.
Get some perspective - we are having an inconsistent time in the league and playing poorly in Europe - that's all!! It will come right again - it's called football - ups and downs you know!
United don't win the league every year, Barcelona don't win the Champions league every year. Pains me to say it - but their fans just understand the nature of the game and handle it better.
Drewmanc said:Couldn't give one fuck about the CL. I've never seen it as that big a win, cup competitions are about luck as much as quality. Give me another Premier league this season and I'll be happy, Mancini will have plenty of time over the next 5 years to understand the CL if that's what HRH wants.
levets said:GaudinoMotors said:What a shower of fickle drama queens some have become. Five months ago Mancini achieved something I never thought I'd ever see - and that was a year after two incredible winning trips Wembley! We beat United when it really matters - in a cup semi and then thrash them 6 - 1 at their place!!! He has earned and deserves more respect than some clowns on here are giving him. Don't tell me success and wealth hasn't gone to the heads of some on here.
Get some perspective - we are having an inconsistent time in the league and playing poorly in Europe - that's all!! It will come right again - it's called football - ups and downs you know!
United don't win the league every year, Barcelona don't win the Champions league every year. Pains me to say it - but their fans just understand the nature of the game and handle it better.
Post of the thread..... get a grip you greedy spoilt little kids...
We are the reigning Champions.
We were unbeaten at home in the league last season.
We are unbeaten in the league so far this season.
We haven't lost at home in the league for almost 2 years.
I never ever imagined I'd be able to state that.
fully agree with you our midfield is pretty average really. We need a Pirlo type player to keep everything ticking and Yaya needs to play further up because he's absolute shite sitting deep.Totadisco said:Everyone is arguing what striker to choose but the problem is not there. All four are world class strikers, no argue in that, but each one is different. They have their strengths and weaknesses but god damn they need a quality service and a good back up. Is there enough world class potential in midfield and defense? We don't have 4 Messi"s to make a solo run but even he depends on the rest of the team.
It looks like the only way to win a game is to score more then 3 goals because we keep conceding stupid goals. I even think that Conference National teams would score somehow. With all the respect to Kompany, I think he is equally to blame as Lescott. And then we have Kolo, who probably played less football this year than me and will probably leave in January. Yes, there is Nastasic but he s 19 !!! There are no options left? And Mancini doesn't have any central defenders left. You simply CAN"T rely on only 3 central defenders all season ¨!!! Thats mad... Luckily, no one has injured yet, but what if ? Savic almost cost us a title last year.
And midfield... A lot to talk about really, especially since Kolarov showed more enthusiasm, motivation and energy in CL then any other midfield player. Thats what you need from midfield.. To increase the tempo when needed, to take control... If plan A fails you need plan B, but there is no plan B... No natural wingers, no impact players... Johnson was an impact player but he s gone now and there s only Sinclair and Kolarov. NO PLAN B !! Only plan B is to substitute forwards, and thats it.. Barry, Rodwell and Garcia. One will play and the other two will be on the bench but the fact is that there are almost the same type of players. They cant bring anything new to the team.
Its not about experience anymore. Ayax and Dortmund both have younger and inexperienced players... Most of the City players play for their national teams and had a past experience in Euro competitions...
No matter what you say, City plays shitty all the season, and if it wasn't for Dzeko"s late goals and some other individual performances, we would be in bottom half of the table.
I really hope Mancini knows what to do. Last time he said he knows where s the problem and that he ll fix it. I don't see any improvement, sorry...
HahahahSky Blue said:What the fuck is an "archilles heal" ?
Bazzmand Show said:I'm still of the opinion, that Pep Guardiola is the most logical choice, should Mancini get sacked.
Matt the Giant said:I don't know if it's down to Mancini, the players or maybe even myself, but I just think we look so... oppressed, constipated... I keep on waiting for us to find that rhythm, that joyful flow we should be more than capable of with the squad we have.
What's stopping them I wonder?
jollylescott said:Matt the Giant said:I don't know if it's down to Mancini, the players or maybe even myself, but I just think we look so... oppressed, constipated... I keep on waiting for us to find that rhythm, that joyful flow we should be more than capable of with the squad we have.
What's stopping them I wonder?
This is of course the billion dollar question. None of us know what is going on behind the scenes in terms of morale and relationships.
i heard an interesting perspective on ESPN Press Pass. The team were discussing the merits of Mancini and the consensus was that he lacked man management skills. Roberto is not a touchy freely Manager. He doesn't pat a player on the back and say well done when they are subbed. He comes across as a distant character and probably not one that the players would too. I can accept that people are different but sometimes I believe that it is important to make those small public gestures that show a player and the fans that a player is appreciated. I believe that Roberto needs to think about how he interacts with the players.
In regards to the beautiful play, other top teams improved their first 11 in the summer transfer window. In my view we didn't. The rags got RVP, Chelsea with Hazard, Arsenal with Cazorla and even Spurs with Vertonghen and Lloris. When we had our foot on the throats of the others we failed to kill them off, so they are back in the game. Mancini knows this and expressed his frustrations on numerous occasions during the summer transfer window. I don't blame Mancini for this. However I believe that the players are certainly aware of this. I recall interviews with Kun and David Silva where they commented on the expectations that the first 11 would be improved in the off season. The players would all be well aware of this.
Combine this with a disrupted off season thanks to the Euros, tactical errors from Roberto, players who appear jaded even at this stage, the hangover from winning the title (even Real Madrid started La Liga poorly) and other teams rising to the challenge of knocking off the champs, and you have a strange brew.
all good points
On the positive side I reckon we will forget the Champions League if we can win the title. We ARE still unbeaten in the Premiership. However our midfield is desperately thin if Yaya is in slo-mo and I believe that the January window is very important. We have to bolster the midfield ASAP.
tolmie's hairdoo said:The thing is, we have no real barometer for previous success, we're still winging in, thankful for what we have got.
People say Bobby is the best manager we have had since Mercer, but that is hardly an endorsement is it?
Others will say changing the manager gets you nowhere, but outside of Ferguson at United, everybody changes their manager when and necessary.
I actually praise Abramovich for what he has done at Chelsea. He never settles for just good enough.
Despite all the upheavals, he has continued to keep them winning trophies and competitive.
I feel sorry for Mancini is the respect he is also paying the price for FFPR and our lousy co-efficient, but he remains on a hiding to nothing.
This squad needs a scalpel taking to it and I felt that after the title win.
We bought the players to get us into the top four, additions won us the league.
What I can't understand are those people who don't see that we can't stand still.
Soriano coming in to the club could change a lot of things and there is a Barca-like revolution going on behind the scenes.
I could see one on the pitch before much longer - if someone such as Guardiola is sounded out.