Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the club

LoveCity said:
cookster said:
To add some balance to your wikipedia research. You forgot to mention the first club he managed Fiorentina, didn't they get relegated?
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Another financially crippled team who had to sell their best players. He won a cup with in his first ever year as a manager, he didn't even have his badges yet according to that same Wikipedia you mentioned. Yes they were relegated, half a season after he left. So he won a cup while not even a fully qualified coach and his financially crippled team were struggling in the relegation zone when he resigned. Hardly damning evidence against him and even if it were, not enough to counter the great work he did at Lazio, Inter, and our own club. How did the greats of management do in their first year?
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Like I said it was to add balance. We don't want the fanboys to get too carried away.

I also said he was a good solid manager. Do you think he's a great manager?
 
Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Dethred said:
-1-0 is enough to win a game. Nasri scored, against the run of play, which is down to tactics.

-There was no player error involved in the goal before halftime. Mancini didn't adjust to the wide threat Ajax were posing. Everyone including the commentators saw this several minutes before the goal went in.... Mancini apparently didn't. Our defensive mid fielders weren't picking up players running into the box, so Cliche was left unsure whether he should try to stop the cross of cover the open player the cross went to. Mancini should have adjusted the defense to cover the edge of the box and any players looking to receive a cross, and allowed his full backs to close down crosses.

-Lescott was part of a diamond zonal marking formation that had no players on either posts. Its clear that this was a poor tactical defending decision. Lescott was just the person closest to the ball, any of our defenders would have failed in that situation as they were all flat-footed. No one being on either post should result in the defensive coach's sacking, as its basic football.

-There was no player error for the third goal. The defense was in shambles and was being pressurized at the instruction of a manager who was astute enough to notice that Mancini ruins our defense when he switches to a back 3.

You can make up bullshit excuses, but when all the players play like shit, the manager makes decisions that even the fans can see are stupid, and it results in a terrible loss... you can't go blaming the manager.

Players don't just go around conspiring to be shit with other players. The Manager is the one who provides them with a strategy to find their way on the pitch. If every player plays below their ability, then you cannot blame the fucking players. Simple as that.
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Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Dethred said:
levets said:
- Kun, Nasri & Richards all should have score to put us 2 -0 up
- Player error 30 seconds from HT sees an equaliser. Should have been more professional
- Lescott (or one of the other 5 stood still) fails to 'check' a defender from a corner.
- Player error for the 3rd goal..
- Edin missed 2 clear opportunities

So which mistake did Mancini make that was 'bigger' than any of these?
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-1-0 is enough to win a game. Nasri scored, against the run of play, which is down to tactics.

-There was no player error involved in the goal before halftime. Mancini didn't adjust to the wide threat Ajax were posing. Everyone including the commentators saw this several minutes before the goal went in.... Mancini apparently didn't. Our defensive mid fielders weren't picking up players running into the box, so Cliche was left unsure whether he should try to stop the cross of cover the open player the cross went to. Mancini should have adjusted the defense to cover the edge of the box and any players looking to receive a cross, and allowed his full backs to close down crosses.

-Lescott was part of a diamond zonal marking formation that had no players on either posts. Its clear that this was a poor tactical defending decision. Lescott was just the person closest to the ball, any of our defenders would have failed in that situation as they were all flat-footed. No one being on either post should result in the defensive coach's sacking, as its basic football.

-There was no player error for the third goal. The defense was in shambles and was being pressurized at the instruction of a manager who was astute enough to notice that Mancini ruins our defense when he switches to a back 3.

You can make up bullshit excuses, but when all the players play like shit, the manager makes decisions that even the fans can see are stupid, and it results in a terrible loss... you can't go blaming the manager.

Players don't just go around conspiring to be shit with other players. The Manager is the one who provides them with a strategy to find their way on the pitch. If every player plays below their ability, then you cannot blame the fucking players. Simple as that.
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-There was no player error involved in the goal before halftime.
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Have another look at what happens to allow the ball out wide.

-Lescott was part of a diamond zonal marking formation that had no players on either posts.
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Lescotts fault all day.... And I'm a fan of JL.

-There was no player error for the third goal.
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Have another look. does Barry lose possession to Eriksson?

If every player plays below their ability, then you cannot blame the fucking players. Simple as that.
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Are you on fucking drugs? what the fuck is this?

I'll ask you again... Did Kun, Nasri & Richards all miss clear opportunities to put us 2-0 ahead?

Did the midfield lose possession bang on HT?

Did Lescott allow a free header at a corner?

Did Barry lose possession for the 3rd

Did Edin miss 2 clear opportunities late on?

The answer to each question is absolutely fucking yes...

so which mistake that mancini made is bigger than these...

flapping fuckers doing my head in
 
We are missing balance we are missing vision and gameplan.

The way and speed we turn from defence to attack is awful. Dont you see how dangerous we can be when we are fast? When once for a year we have a fast attack a good counter?

Pace is a huge thing in todays football if you attack with pace and if you start attack fast from defence you put pressure on your opponent.

Under pressre everyone has to make tough decisions. Not enought to do the right thing they have to be fast as well.

Our opponents know this and do it exactly they dont pass the ball at the back. Did you see Pepe-Varane, Subotic-Hummles or the young Ajax defenders passing the ball between them? Sometimes yeah, but nowhere near that much as we did.
They try to put the ball into attack they pass faster, they run faster they put us under pressure only with pace.

And we can see what our defenders do under pressure this year. They fail. They make silly mistakes. They dont have to just in good place and do the right thing they have to be very fast also. It is too much for them as they get zero help form midfield anyway.

It is like we would work on "how to make it easier for our opponent"...
 
CaliforniaBlue said:
Two points;
1) The people who want Mancini out after a bad result or two probably think a few cold days (or even a cold winter) disproves global warming.
2) Constantly bringing up Mancini's terrible record in the CL with Inter ignores the inconvenient truth that he didn't actually have a terrible record in the CL with Inter. They comfortably got through the group stage every year (and from some decent groups as well), and although they didn't get past the quarter-finals, they lost to good teams every time (yes, for the younger viewers out there, Liverpool were once a good team...). In an era when the top English teams pretty much swept all before them in the CL, Mancini's record with Inter was pretty good.
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Its not about a bad result or two. Its about the system and the way we play from the beginning of the season. Name one game, except 3:0 win against Sunderland, where there was a good team performance
Not to say that we were lucky to win against WBA and Fulham away, and lucky to draw at Anfield. OK, I must say it was a good game against WBA considering we had a player sent off but could easily lose it if it wasnt for Hart.
Home wins against Southampton and QPR weren't comfortable either... We also had two 1:1 draws against Arsenal home and Stoke away and in both of these games opponents played slightly better, as we had some moments in the game. Against Stoke it was the last 20 minutes of 2-nd half and against Arsenal it was the last 10 minutes of 1st half and some moments in the 2nd one..
Villa beat us 4:2 in Carling Cup and we had more then half first team players in starting line up.
Not to mention that Dortmund and Real could easily score 5 goals...
 
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