Is our military…

The Future’s Blue! said:
It’s late, but why would the primarily volunteers step-up if they didn’t feel pride? And what about all the support for those who have served recently? Seems completely divorced from reality but willing to understand.
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Volunteering to defend ones country tells you nothing about our attitude towards our armed forces, conscription even less.

Remember the old songs...I don't want to join the Army, I don't want to go to war. I'd rather hang around Piccadilly underground....etc, etc

Those who have served recently are caught in a bind, the establishment pays lip service to them and the wider public seems mostly indifferent.

My opinion and its just my opinion, the establishment think of your average professional soldier much as Wellington did "scum of the Earth". It's the class based bollocks that infests this country, they think the nurses and the working class in general are lazy scum, so it's all much of a muchness. As for the man on the Clapham omnibus, he's mostly apathetic, the right wing media he consumes doesn't seem to give a shit, so he goes about his business not giving it a second thought.

I might add I'm telling it as I see it, not necessarily as I would like it.
 
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Zabbasbeard said:
That maybe but when you've been physically attacked, racially abused, harassed and been on the end of other criminal activity from racists, you might be forgiven for thinking those people are poisonous and malicious.
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Those people demonstrably are. Hence why I deployed the words ‘Isn‘t necessarily’. And I stand by that. You may know plenty of poisonous and malicious people who aren’t racist in the slightest. I know I do.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
We used to have the best police, healthcare fire service, society.
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Did we though?

Or did we (ie Britain at large) just convince ourselves we did and backed it up with nationalistic sentiment?

I’m sure we had and still do have a very good police, healthcare, fire service and society, but the best?

In my experience countries who spend their time boasting about being the best never are.
 
domalino said:
Did we though?

Or did we (ie Britain at large) just convince ourselves we did and backed it up with nationalistic sentiment?

I’m sure we had and still do have a very good police, healthcare, fire service and society, but the best?

In my experience countries who spend their time boasting about being the best never are.
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The whole we’re the best nonsense is a favourite of the Americans. When I was out there for a holiday this year folk genuinely believed we were in awe of them. The whole flag shagging stuff I found odd and enjoyed debating them as to why it’s daft. I met up with a city fan in Denver who was also ex-military (we watched the RM nightmare) then went on the piss after. He was a sound lad and we talked about politics and the military all day once the footy was off limits due to the result. He agreed Trump was an idiot and a bullshitting grifter but would alway vote Republican because his family does and….god guns flag…he even agreed it was mental to vote for that but said it was like religion and can’t be changed. He must have sunk 15 pints then got in his car to drive home. I asked him if he was concerned about getting pulled but he replied that he had his military badges on his truck and the police would bother a vet. Thing was he was a top bloke, doing a masters in brewing but was all wrapped up in the US as the dream and everyone wants the dream.
 
Pedestrian said:
The whole we’re the best nonsense is a favourite of the Americans. When I was out there for a holiday this year folk genuinely believed we were in awe of them. The whole flag shagging stuff I found odd and enjoyed debating them as to why it’s daft. I met up with a city fan in Denver who was also ex-military (we watched the RM nightmare) then went on the piss after. He was a sound lad and we talked about politics and the military all day once the footy was off limits due to the result. He agreed Trump was an idiot and a bullshitting grifter but would alway vote Republican because his family does and….god guns flag…he even agreed it was mental to vote for that but said it was like religion and can’t be changed. He must have sunk 15 pints then got in his car to drive home. I asked him if he was concerned about getting pulled but he replied that he had his military badges on his truck and the police would bother a vet. Thing was he was a top bloke, doing a masters in brewing but was all wrapped up in the US as the dream and everyone wants the dream.
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Not arguing with you on your main point, however a couple of years back I was visiting a mate in Spain (Brit) who’s moved down there permanently. We were sat at one of the bars where only Brit’s drink at and having beers with some Lubbly jubbly English transplants, none of whom could utter a word of Spanish. They thought they were Royalty and spend their days laughing at the locals because obviously they’re all lazy daygo’s blah blah. One of the blokes asked me at one point if I was enjoying myself and then proceeded to tell me that I could never have such a laugh living in America as we don’t drink much, have no sense of humor and all the usual Little England bollocks. I refrained from giving him a good slap but had to laugh at his and their self perception of Englishnesessess
 
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