Is the false nine an updated version of the Revie plan

[Big Swifty]

Les McDowell had tried it with the reserves at the end of that 53-54 season having seen the Hungary game (I was told a good number of years ago). It was tried with the first team next season using Revie in the deeper roll. Didn't work for ages but came good later in the season when the FA cup was won. It could be the English obsession with numbers ie if no 9 is worn must be a centre forward or the similarity to that Hungarian system but Hidegkuti saw his roll as an attacking midfielder not a deep lying centre forward he is quoted as saying in an interview at the time.

Did anyone know that Les McDowall is City's only Indian-born player?

I think there was another plan called the Marsden plan. Remember my dad mentioning it. Not sure if that was the same as the Revie/Williamson plan or something else. Les McDowell seemed to like his plans .

Fancy you remembering the Marsden Plan.

It was not like the Revie Plan - it consisted of the then revolutionary idea of actually having two central defenders - "twin centre-halves". The defence would then be impregnable.........

The two were Dave Ewing and a journeyman forward converted to centre-half, called keith Marsden. In 1957, City travelled to Preston, and lost 6-1. The next game was away at WBA, and we lost 9-2. So much for an "impregnable" defence!

To his credit, McDowall scrapped the plan and the next match we beat Spurs 5-1. The infamous Marsden plan was well and truly buried.

 

[Prater70]

Correct me if I am wrong but in the early sixties did we experiment playing without wingers and were the first to use overlapping full backs.

 

[KS55]

When I get to '55 I can't recall anything but Wor Jackie scoring in the first minute. Everything else has been washed away in the mists of time.

That would be the player Tony B. Liar remembered as he was "sat on the Gallowgate." He wasn't coached well enough to pretend he was a football fan.

 

[KS55]

Correct me if I am wrong but in the early sixties did we experiment playing without wingers and were the first to use overlapping full backs.

The thought of Cliff Sear overlapping is boggling.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I've asked myself this question and came to the following answer.

Revie was a true centre forward, who played a little deeper. Our false 9 is a midfield player, so I'd say the answer is no.

 

[Norman kneejerk]

Did anyone know that Les McDowall is City's only Indian-born player?

Fancy you remembering the Marsden Plan.

It was not like the Revie Plan - it consisted of the then revolutionary idea of actually having two central defenders - "twin centre-halves". The defence would then be impregnable.........

The two were Dave Ewing and a journeyman forward converted to centre-half, called keith Marsden. In 1957, City travelled to Preston, and lost 6-1. The next game was away at WBA, and we lost 9-2. So much for an "impregnable" defence!

To his credit, McDowall scrapped the plan and the next match we beat Spurs 5-1. The infamous Marsden plan was well and truly buried.

Thanks fantastic stuff. I had an idea it was short-lived but that's cleared it up for me.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

The thought of Cliff Sear overlapping is boggling.

Cliff perfected the sliding tackle. He'd go to ground fifteen or twenty yards away from the oppo player and just take the ball off his foot!

 

[KS55]

I've asked myself this question and came to the following answer.

Revie was a true centre forward, who played a little deeper. Our false 9 is a midfield player, so I'd say the answer is no.

I think the definition is that a true CF plays mainly ahead of the ball, whereas a false 9 plays mainly behind the ball. I really cant remember exactly how far withdrawn Revie played in his eponymous plan. I would, however, suggest that a natural midfielder is more suited to the false 9 role than a genuine CF.

 

[Blue and still suffering]

Think back, Dave..... Feb 1955, we went to the Swamp, beat them 5-0, busby Babes and all.
Massacre. Their defence couldn't cope with our deep-lying No 9

I know that I have mentioned this before on here but my old man was at that game with his mate who became his best man who was a United fan. My dad said that when the fifth went in his mate started crying.

 

[BufordUSABlue]

Did anyone know that Les McDowall is City's only Indian-born player?

Fancy you remembering the Marsden Plan.

It was not like the Revie Plan - it consisted of the then revolutionary idea of actually having two central defenders - "twin centre-halves". The defence would then be impregnable.........

The two were Dave Ewing and a journeyman forward converted to centre-half, called keith Marsden. In 1957, City travelled to Preston, and lost 6-1. The next game was away at WBA, and we lost 9-2. So much for an "impregnable" defence!

To his credit, McDowall scrapped the plan and the next match we beat Spurs 5-1. The infamous Marsden plan was well and truly buried.

Brilliant mate thanks a lot.
Only City eh :-) :-)