Isco

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

If we're not willing to pay the release clause, considering the amount we paid for Fernandinho, we are mugs.

Plus the money wasted last summer on Garcia, Sinclair etc.

Don't get me started on Javi fucking Garcia

Javi fucked Garcia? Christ....

 

[Manx Blue]

For those old enough to recall, Isco is basically the Spanish version of the Arthur Numan saga.

(Except we've got a few bob now)

God I remember that one, remember it dragging on for ages and my mates brother picking us up from the airport telling us he'd signed for Rangers. (Arthur Numan, not my mates brother).

Didn't we end up with Ricky Holden instead?

I think it was the same year. Rick H played in the same team over here as Richards30.

 

[NQCitizen]

Rafael Hernández ‏@RafaelH117 1m
Things stay the same, Isco wants MCFC, agreed terms with both teams, but Málaga only has a deal with Real Madrid


if this is true why the fuck we don't want to pay another milions to get him????????????????????????WHY???????????????????????? someone need to responde for that if it's true

Makes you wonder if us holding out for Malaga to pay for Pellegrini's compensation is coming back to haunt us.

It seems like we are simply refusing to pay the extra few million, which is making me pull my hair out, same as Hazard last year.

Currently missing out on the best striker on the market and the best young player through this tactic. Hold on tight.

 

[salfordpaul]

Rafael Hernández ‏@RafaelH117 1m
Things stay the same, Isco wants MCFC, agreed terms with both teams, but Málaga only has a deal with Real Madrid


if this is true why the fuck we don't want to pay another milions to get him????????????????????????WHY???????????????????????? someone need to responde for that if it's true

Makes you wonder if us holding out for Malaga to pay for Pellegrini's compensation is coming back to haunt us.

It seems like we are simply refusing to pay the extra few million, which is making me pull my hair out, same as Hazard last year.

noah hazard was different, we had to sign his brother and the agent was pulling pants down! outragious demands that chelsea were willing to pay, we are not mugs anymore

 

[robbieh]

Several questions that will be answered over the next few years.

1) Is Isco all that?

2) Are Ferran and Txiki all that?

1) yes
2) stupid comment made out of your frustration

Maybe so but I am still pissed off with the way Mancini's sacking was handled. I think in retrospect it was the right decision but not sure they handled it well. Just because they were at Barca does not make them godlike. Laporta and Rosell were the main men. As I understand it Ferran was the accountant.

 

[Dogtanian]

my 1st post...
What a saga this is turning out to be!
We've had all the emotions ( often on the same page!) it's been very revealing, and not to mention entertaining!
Personally, I've resigned myself to the fact that he's going to Madrid, as Cavani said, when Madrid come knocking, you take notice!
I think our main target should be a striker, since Mario left we haven't replaced him, and with Aguero getting injured it left us underpowered upfront last season.
If Manny can get Nasri playing to the top of his game regularly, I don't think missing out on Isco will be such an issue, Navas and Fenandinho were the must have transfers, Isco would have been the icing on the cake! I know it's not over until Perez is shouting it from the rooftops, but I'm far, far more optimistic about next season now, if Isco comes, great! if not, well, we move on!

Welcome to the jungle

 

[Marvin]

Makes you wonder if us holding out for Malaga to pay for Pellegrini's compensation is coming back to haunt us.

It seems like we are simply refusing to pay the extra few million, which is making me pull my hair out, same as Hazard last year.

noah hazard was different, we had to sign his brother and the agent was pulling pants down! outragious demands that chelsea were willing to pay, we are not mugs anymore

It would have been worth it though.

 

[NipHolmes]

Rafael Hernández ‏@RafaelH117 1m
Things stay the same, Isco wants MCFC, agreed terms with both teams, but Málaga only has a deal with Real Madrid


if this is true why the fuck we don't want to pay another milions to get him????????????????????????WHY???????????????????????? someone need to responde for that if it's true

Makes you wonder if us holding out for Malaga to pay for Pellegrini's compensation is coming back to haunt us.

Makes you wonder what kind of shithouse cunts their board are for making a man sweat for his fucking wages all bastard season!

Makes you wonder how fucking ungrateful they are that their manager (former one anyway) kept that team together and did the best he possibly could. Plkayers not being paid and morale low yet he braved on, yet they made him sweat. They are fucking dirt. Fuck them. We owe them fuck all and neither does Pellegrini. His unpaid wages were in lieu for the compensation anyway.

 

[SWP's back]

Rafael Hernández ‏@RafaelH117 1m
Things stay the same, Isco wants MCFC, agreed terms with both teams, but Málaga only has a deal with Real Madrid


if this is true why the fuck we don't want to pay another milions to get him????????????????????????WHY???????????????????????? someone need to responde for that if it's true

Totally baffling if true,

All part of negotiations

I thought we couldn't talk to the player until terms agreed with club, but that doesn't seem to have happened here.

Appears that if we want Isco enough, then we can get him

But if you were the transfer negotiator you have to bear in mind what our budget is, and what other targets we have. We don't really need Isco as far as next season is concerned (I don't believe he is better than what we have now - it's his potential in years to come) and we certainly need a striker.

But he IS better than Nasri. Hence Madrid wanting to pay £30m for him.

 

[Jack74]

Fernandinho could easily come in and fill a glaring hole in the squad. A proper dynamic box to box midfielder. Whereas isco comes in arguably our 4th best attacking midfielder.

Oh don't get me wrong, fernandinho is a good signing, and I didn't mind overpaying by 5 or so million. But 4th best attacking mid ? Come on really , in 3 or 4 years hel be the best attacking in the squad, comfortably.

He has the tools but Silva injury free and in his pomp is up there pushing Xavi and Iniesta, he is simply sublime. Isco will do well to 'better' him.

Ha ha laughable Silva was fuckin garbage last year<br /><br />-- Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:56 pm --<br /><br />

Fernandinho could easily come in and fill a glaring hole in the squad. A proper dynamic box to box midfielder. Whereas isco comes in arguably our 4th best attacking midfielder.

Oh don't get me wrong, fernandinho is a good signing, and I didn't mind overpaying by 5 or so million. But 4th best attacking mid ? Come on really , in 3 or 4 years hel be the best attacking in the squad, comfortably.

He has the tools but Silva injury free and in his pomp is up there pushing Xavi and Iniesta, he is simply sublime. Isco will do well to 'better' him.

Ha ha laughable Silva was fuckin garbage last year

 

[MojoRisin]

There are things to consider here. Isco having a preference does not mean he has signed anything in writing, it could go from a verbal agreement to a handshake or not even that. From the way things have been reported there is no mention of a pre-contract agreement or anything like that to suggest a deal being done with him, just that there were talks and he responded positively to them.

So as much as there have been discussions to convince him to come there will also have been contract negotiations with him and his agent in the past week or so. As we know from past experience these can take days, maybe even weeks as every fine detail has to be covered and agreed upon. What seems like a positive reaction can change when getting down to nitty gritty details. Basic wage, bonuses, length of contract, yearly triggers in the contract, release clauses, image rights, sponsorship and merchandise requirements these all have to be considered and agreed upon. Before the U21s Madrid were not a noisy factor in this, now they are.

We also have to deal with Malaga. Pellegrini seemed to take a while to be sorted and the same may happen here, it could be the way they want to do business with us. We will have had to have agreed a deal with them, a payment structure and if we have it will be along Madrid's rate. This all takes time and is serious stuff, it's not just "Please make your mind up Isco".

Once we reach the stage of 2 contracts being agreed upon in principle, which I think from the reports sounds like it could only have happened this weekend if at all yet, then Isco has some life and career changing decisions to make. He's a year out from a world cup. Now unless several players ahead of him in the queue get injured then it's unlikely he'll go, so he has to look at 2018, 5 years away, probably the end of his first contract at his new club.

He has a big decision to make. Does he come to City, in England, and risk leaving Spain to prove himself as a first team regular. Does he immerse himself in an entirely different culture, and leave his familiarity of home, maybe his family and definately his friends behind? Let's not ignore the fact that many of his friends are Barca B, Madrid, Ex-Madrid or Castilla players and that will have a large sway in his decision as he will want to feel comfortable where he's living. Yes we have Spanish speakers but how well does Isco know them and are they the same age group? No, not really.

If he comes here he plays regularly but has the above to think about. He also has to think about his career aims, will he, like Silva, be overlooked by Spain for not playing at Madrid or Barca? Will he think that the young lads coming through at those two teams will get preference because they're at the two Spanish giants? He may have to sit on the bench at times in Madrid but he will have strong self belief as he's a talented player so will believe he's good enough to step up there and earn his spot, and Madrid will give him that stage to shine, he'll be at an elite club and at some point in his career he may feel he wants to play at either Barca or Real, and with Barca's policy it will be easier for him to go to Madrid.

If he gets to 1 year left on his contract here is he going to want to go home? If he really wants to play for one of those clubs is it wise moving here? He has an offer on the table now to go there and if he comes here and his stock rises further will the Spanish giants ever be able to agree a deal with us especially as we become an elite club with them? It will be more difficult, so he has to factor in how he wants his career to pan out. Knowing how Txiki made sure Navas was happy to come here by forcing all the negatives about Manchester and England on him and judging his responses, maybe Isco doesn't want that on reflection. Perhaps he wants to have a nice, Spanish lifestyle in the capital playing for one of the top two teams, you can't begrudge him that career and life choice.

He has a very difficult decision, probably the biggest one he'll ever make so no surprise if he takes his time and errs on the cautious side.

 

[GXCity]

Several questions that will be answered over the next few years.

1) Is Isco all that?

2) Are Ferran and Txiki all that?

1) yes
2) stupid comment made out of your frustration

Maybe so but I am still pissed off with the way Mancini's sacking was handled. I think in retrospect it was the right decision but not sure they handled it well. Just because they were at Barca does not make them godlike. Laporta and Rosell were the main men. As I understand it Ferran was the accountant.

General Manager, which is basically the Spanish version of CEO

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

He's a nice lad so he'll come to City for sure. Sure why wouldn't he? we're a lovely lot.

Exactly! And he gets to wear a sky-blue shirt with a golden eagle on the badge (what young man wouldn't want to?)....

 

[blueparrot]

Several questions that will be answered over the next few years.

1) Is Isco all that?

2) Are Ferran and Txiki all that?

1) yes
2) stupid comment made out of your frustration

Maybe so but I am still pissed off with the way Mancini's sacking was handled. I think in retrospect it was the right decision but not sure they handled it well. Just because they were at Barca does not make them godlike. Laporta and Rosell were the main men. As I understand it Ferran was the accountant.

Ah that explains it nothing rational in it

 

[Smithy34]

I am beginning to think that malaga are actually leaning towards wanting to sell to RM - they seem interested in taking a loan player from RM as part of the deal.

Isco may favour us - but his statement about doing what is best for the club may in fact be a hidden clue in all of this

I cannot see the Spanish press adamantly saying that he is RM bound and then for it not to happen because they will look like fucking proper clowns

 

[tilbz]

Oh don't get me wrong, fernandinho is a good signing, and I didn't mind overpaying by 5 or so million. But 4th best attacking mid ? Come on really , in 3 or 4 years hel be the best attacking in the squad, comfortably.

He has the tools but Silva injury free and in his pomp is up there pushing Xavi and Iniesta, he is simply sublime. Isco will do well to 'better' him.

Ha ha laughable Silva was fuckin garbage last year

-- Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:56 pm --

Oh don't get me wrong, fernandinho is a good signing, and I didn't mind overpaying by 5 or so million. But 4th best attacking mid ? Come on really , in 3 or 4 years hel be the best attacking in the squad, comfortably.

He has the tools but Silva injury free and in his pomp is up there pushing Xavi and Iniesta, he is simply sublime. Isco will do well to 'better' him.

Ha ha laughable Silva was fuckin garbage last year

Only by his standards not in general

 

[CitizenTID]

Oh don't get me wrong, fernandinho is a good signing, and I didn't mind overpaying by 5 or so million. But 4th best attacking mid ? Come on really , in 3 or 4 years hel be the best attacking in the squad, comfortably.

He has the tools but Silva injury free and in his pomp is up there pushing Xavi and Iniesta, he is simply sublime. Isco will do well to 'better' him.

Ha ha laughable Silva was fuckin garbage last year

Get out.

 

[NoahCity]

Makes you wonder if us holding out for Malaga to pay for Pellegrini's compensation is coming back to haunt us.

It seems like we are simply refusing to pay the extra few million, which is making me pull my hair out, same as Hazard last year.

We should at least match their bid!
Why should we pay more than Madrid?

 

[TonyM]

It seems like we are simply refusing to pay the extra few million, which is making me pull my hair out, same as Hazard last year.

noah hazard was different, we had to sign his brother and the agent was pulling pants down! outragious demands that chelsea were willing to pay, we are not mugs anymore

It would have been worth it though.

No it would not. We are owned by an honourable man from what I can tell and wish to operate professionally. Long term this is the best path. Short term we will miss out on things. I love that we don't roll over for agents and power mad chairmen.

 

[flb]

Rafael Hernández ‏@RafaelH117 1m
Things stay the same, Isco wants MCFC, agreed terms with both teams, but Málaga only has a deal with Real Madrid


if this is true why the fuck we don't want to pay another milions to get him????????????????????????WHY???????????????????????? someone need to responde for that if it's true

Makes you wonder if us holding out for Malaga to pay for Pellegrini's compensation is coming back to haunt us.

My thoughts exactly. Malaga want more off us at a guess hence why we not happy.

Can hardly blame them- we take there manager and now we want there star player