I cant agree. I think RM saw what a class act Isco was in the Euro U21's and thought they must get him.jollylescott said:Prestwich_Blue said:I've already said that, from the information I've seen, I believe there's a game going on. We stiffed Malaga over Pellegrini and then go back for their best player. So they want their pound of flesh.dario2739 said:I just find this whole transfer saga a bit strange - from what we hear Isco agreed to come to us, only for Malaga to approach Real to get them to make a counter bid.
That's fine - buying/selling a player like this is an auction of sorts, with teams bidding until one wins... what I don't get though is, if Real have bettered our bid, why have we not been allowed to counter bid?
Now, we may have done so - but if we have I don't understand Isco's stance in all of this!
He's agreed to come to us, so must have been happy with the package we've offered - so what did Zidane say or promise him to do a complete 180°? Also puzzling is that whatever Real has offered seems to have completely changed his mind, and he can't be swayed... just sound really dubious. You'd think he would take Zidane's promises and come back to Pellegrini and say, 'that's what they've offered, what can you do?'
They get Real Madrid involved who outbid us. Now it may be that Isco wasn't Plan A there so they aren't bothered whether they get him or not but Malaga use the situation to get more money out of us. So all the media is designed to put pressure on us to cough up the extra they want but we think it's a bluff and stare them out. Isco knows he's not Plan A at Madrid but makes polite noises anyway to play along with Al-Thani's game. After all Malaga are skint and every penny counts, particularly when someone who has possibly cost them money they could ill afford to lose is doing the buying.
So my theory is that the deal isn't done yet because Isco's happy to come to us (rather than go to Madrid who don't really want him) and Malaga will sell to us but only what they feel is the right price. We feel we're being shystered so are holding out on principle. Someone is going to have to blink very soon and each party thinks it's the other.
To me, that explains this saga because if Madrid wanted him, he was happy to go and the price was agreed then it'd be done and dusted by now. I just hope that we don't spoil the ship for a ha'porth of tar and aren't holding out over a couple of million euros or something if we really want him and he wants to come.
It's like the scene from Reservoir Dogs where they are standing in a circle pointing a gun at one another.
I agree with the above posters. I don't think that Isco was ever Plan A for Perez. I am sure he has had his sights on Bale and Suarez, and that he would rather put the 30 mill towards them. After all they don't have a bottomless pit of money and Perez surely knows that Isco will be sitting on the bench most of the time.
This is why the entire thing just hasn't added up. It comes back to Malaga trying to screw City over because of the Pellegrini situation. I am sure that Perez expected City to blink. It seems that they haven't and hence the 'delay' in the announcement.
Which then leads me to think that there are further twists and turns in this saga, and perhaps another 1,000 pages on this thread!
It's ALL about the fee. We pay what they want and we'll get him.LoveCity said:It's not about the fee, most indications are that Zidane + the Real Madrid boys in Spain's U21 team changed Isco's mind and convinced him to join Real. That Rafael Hernandez guy on Twitter has changed his story about 10 times, he's a KFA.
It will do, it s what they say on rag cafe every day.Pigeonho said:Sounds vaguely familiar.unlikelyfan19 said:So much for that mutual agreement. "Who do we go for? I don't know, lets just go after whoever Manchester City are going for and pay more".Daz_Blue said:LMAO
#RealMadrid and #ACMilan have held talks over a potential deal for Stephan El Shaarawy. The proposed deal included a fee plus Kaka.
Also, other than Palmeri, who at City have confirmed we were 'going after' SES? Or is it just stuff made up, like most rumours?
You're mistaking me with Pam, she's our resident obsessive with all things united and rag cafe.SWP's back said:It will do, it s what they say on rag cafe every day.Pigeonho said:Sounds vaguely familiar.unlikelyfan19 said:So much for that mutual agreement. "Who do we go for? I don't know, lets just go after whoever Manchester City are going for and pay more".
Also, other than Palmeri, who at City have confirmed we were 'going after' SES? Or is it just stuff made up, like most rumours?
The other tools who don't get games a real Madrid... I am sure they had a compelling argumentLoveCity said:It's not about the fee, most indications are that Zidane + the Real Madrid boys in Spain's U21 team changed Isco's mind and convinced him to join Real. That Rafael Hernandez guy on Twitter has changed his story about 10 times, he's a KFA.
Prestwich_Blue said:It's ALL about the fee. We pay what they want and we'll get him.LoveCity said:It's not about the fee, most indications are that Zidane + the Real Madrid boys in Spain's U21 team changed Isco's mind and convinced him to join Real. That Rafael Hernandez guy on Twitter has changed his story about 10 times, he's a KFA.
How is it familiar then?Pigeonho said:You're mistaking me with Pam, she's our resident obsessive with all things united and rag cafe.SWP's back said:It will do, it s what they say on rag cafe every day.Pigeonho said:Sounds vaguely familiar.
Also, other than Palmeri, who at City have confirmed we were 'going after' SES? Or is it just stuff made up, like most rumours?
Prestwich_Blue said:It's ALL about the fee. We pay what they want and we'll get him.LoveCity said:It's not about the fee, most indications are that Zidane + the Real Madrid boys in Spain's U21 team changed Isco's mind and convinced him to join Real. That Rafael Hernandez guy on Twitter has changed his story about 10 times, he's a KFA.
g180aj said:the thing that really bothers m is we hav money to spend on cavani but aren't spending it so why not pay that bit extra for isco, we will make it back in shirt sales over the years. We still gey are season ticket prices and kit prices put up every season yet we now wont compete for someone like isco yet we paid silly amounts for the likes of santa and robinho
flb said:Prestwich_Blue said:It's ALL about the fee. We pay what they want and we'll get him.LoveCity said:It's not about the fee, most indications are that Zidane + the Real Madrid boys in Spain's U21 team changed Isco's mind and convinced him to join Real. That Rafael Hernandez guy on Twitter has changed his story about 10 times, he's a KFA.
You've done it now !
Chevelle said:The other tools who don't get games a real Madrid... I am sure they had a compelling argumentLoveCity said:It's not about the fee, most indications are that Zidane + the Real Madrid boys in Spain's U21 team changed Isco's mind and convinced him to join Real. That Rafael Hernandez guy on Twitter has changed his story about 10 times, he's a KFA.
jollylescott said:I was referring to Prestwich Blue's theory that Isco was never Plan A for Perez. PB then suggests that Malaga called in Perez as leverage to force City's hand, in part as revenge for what happened with Pellegrini. I suspect the theory was that City would cough up the 35 mill because of our desperate desire to land him, and of course this has been the expectation all the way through because of Isco's association with Pellers. PB then attributes the delay to Madrid not actually being desperate themselves to acquire another left sided attacker.ono said:I don't know to react to this as I no longer know what's a joke anymore. This thread is like a Clarkie continuumjollylescott said:No Perez is trying to squirm out of it. You can sense the beads of perspiration breaking out on his forehead. He will be loosening his tie as we speak. You can translate 'very good chance' to 'come on City wtf are you doing, why haven't you upped your bid, he wants to play with you not us'.
It all sounds very Shakespearean but to me it goes part of the way to explaining the oddities and delays in all of this.
LoveCity said:It's not about the fee, most indications are that Zidane + the Real Madrid boys in Spain's U21 team changed Isco's mind and convinced him to join Real. That Rafael Hernandez guy on Twitter has changed his story about 10 times, he's a KFA.
Because isn't that what any club does if they are interested in a player they believe is available? I'm sure we will have done it a few times this last 4 and half years, as will many others.SWP's back said:How is it familiar then?Pigeonho said:You're mistaking me with Pam, she's our resident obsessive with all things united and rag cafe.SWP's back said:It will do, it s what they say on rag cafe every day.
inchy14 said:LoveCity said:It's not about the fee, most indications are that Zidane + the Real Madrid boys in Spain's U21 team changed Isco's mind and convinced him to join Real. That Rafael Hernandez guy on Twitter has changed his story about 10 times, he's a KFA.
There was only 3 real madrid players in the under 21's squad and they don't regularly feature in the Madrid first team or even squad so i can't see them being to complimentary about it..
They said it was a phone call didn't they?LoveCity said:Prestwich_Blue said:It's ALL about the fee. We pay what they want and we'll get him.LoveCity said:It's not about the fee, most indications are that Zidane + the Real Madrid boys in Spain's U21 team changed Isco's mind and convinced him to join Real. That Rafael Hernandez guy on Twitter has changed his story about 10 times, he's a KFA.
Have to disagree. Every indication points to it being players choice - even Malaga media, who despise Real Madrid, are playing up the Zidane thing saying he flew to Israel during the Euros to convince Isco. If it was about fee, I'm sure we'd be willing to pay £21million up front, wouldn't we?