Islam v Christianity-what it boils down to

[Skashion]

He asked me the other day ''..Daddy, when I die will they stick nails in my hands too..'' ?


FFS.

Who cares. Jesus had about six hours on the cross. We had eight months of no goals at home.

 

[AmericanExile]

OP missed out the part where they worship a paedophile. If islam thinks its ok for an adult man to have sex with a 10 year old, who am I to argue otherwise. Also their 'prophet sent from god' told the followers it was okay to marry girls captured at war. If anyone was going to follow any religion I could not think of a worse one to follow.

Roman Catholicism. Not difficult.

Lucky guess.

 

[Stuart]

He asked me the other day ''..Daddy, when I die will they stick nails in my hands too..'' ?


FFS.

Who cares. Jesus had about six hours on the cross. We had eight months of no goals at home.

Hahaha. I spent a lot of that period in the isolation unit at Christies. I feel sorry for those that had to watch that. ;-)

 

[baldmosher]

I constantly here accusations that religion is being forced on people, there is at least one or two threads a month about it, but I can see no evidence of religion being forced upon anyone as I go about my day to day life. In fact I am pretty well travelled and can honestly say I have not seen any evidence of religion being forced down anyone's throat

My 6 year old son may beg to differ. As do I.

Really? He's had religion forced on him? Is he Catholic?

I would like to see some evidence of this happening but I've not seen much at all really, and I'm only 31, but I read a lot.

I'm not well-travelled but I've never read of anyone forced into religion recently. Coerced, perhaps; yes, there's plenty of cultures that demand obedience to their religion, but most just shun those who don't believe, they don't hunt them down like they do to the gays.

Persuaded, definitely. Made to feel so guilty that they convince themselves they believe... of course, but that's the Catholic way.

I know Christian missionaries who lived in Pakistan for some years in the 80s/90s, and another in Yemen very recently. I know plenty of non-Muslims who have lived and worked in the Middle East recently without any trouble other than the cultural decorum required; don't drink, don't kiss in public, don't expose your arms in church... sorry that one's Catholic too.

It may have escaped your attention but not every Islamic country wishes death to the Infidel. Well, maybe in Afghanistan under the Taliban there was a lot of persecution, there certainly was in Europe in the 1930s, but they are short windows in 5000 years of human history, much of which is documented including plenty of atrocities brought about by powerful lunatics, from the Egyptians to the Iranians. These are all basically single events that prove nothing other than human volatility and none are caused by religion.

And even within those extreme Islamic countries, like Afghanistan under the Taliban, not every Muslim wishes it, only the guys who have forced their way into power and abuse that power for religious ends. Ahmedinajad and Khomenyi are clearly zealots and they have a lot of support within the country, but the people of Iran clearly don't all want the extremism and most would probably not like to live in the middle ages if it came to that choice. It is little different to what Pol Pot did in Cambodia, what the Nazis did in Germany, what the Catholics/Protestants/Cromwell did here in the middle ages, what the Japanese did in WW2, what the state of Israel have been doing in Israel, what the Americans have been doing globally since 1900. It's all just an abuse of power and if religion is used as the excuse it makes the sense of purpose weaker.

It's not nothing to do with religion, but religion is certainly not the cause.

I fully expect to be called a Mansour sympathiser and latecomer by a load of reactionary knobheads now. Go for it.

 

[LongsightM13]

Forced conversion to Islam increasingly common in Britain's prisons, where 'The Muslim Boys' are now one of the major gangs.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/muslim-gangs-force-inmates-to-convert-957153.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 57153.html</a>

 

[Josh Blue]

I constantly here accusations that religion is being forced on people, there is at least one or two threads a month about it, but I can see no evidence of religion being forced upon anyone as I go about my day to day life. In fact I am pretty well travelled and can honestly say I have not seen any evidence of religion being forced down anyone's throat

My 6 year old son may beg to differ. As do I.

Really? He's had religion forced on him? Is he Catholic?

I would like to see some evidence of this happening but I've not seen much at all really, and I'm only 31, but I read a lot.

I'm not well-travelled but I've never read of anyone forced into religion recently. Coerced, perhaps; yes, there's plenty of cultures that demand obedience to their religion, but most just shun those who don't believe, they don't hunt them down like they do to the gays.

Persuaded, definitely. Made to feel so guilty that they convince themselves they believe... of course, but that's the Catholic way.

I know Christian missionaries who lived in Pakistan for some years in the 80s/90s, and another in Yemen very recently. I know plenty of non-Muslims who have lived and worked in the Middle East recently without any trouble other than the cultural decorum required; don't drink, don't kiss in public, don't expose your arms in church... sorry that one's Catholic too.

It may have escaped your attention but not every Islamic country wishes death to the Infidel. Well, maybe in Afghanistan under the Taliban there was a lot of persecution, there certainly was in Europe in the 1930s, but they are short windows in 5000 years of human history, much of which is documented including plenty of atrocities brought about by powerful lunatics, from the Egyptians to the Iranians. These are all basically single events that prove nothing other than human volatility and none are caused by religion.

And even within those extreme Islamic countries, like Afghanistan under the Taliban, not every Muslim wishes it, only the guys who have forced their way into power and abuse that power for religious ends. Ahmedinajad and Khomenyi are clearly zealots and they have a lot of support within the country, but the people of Iran clearly don't all want the extremism and most would probably not like to live in the middle ages if it came to that choice. It is little different to what Pol Pot did in Cambodia, what the Nazis did in Germany, what the Catholics/Protestants/Cromwell did here in the middle ages, what the Japanese did in WW2, what the state of Israel have been doing in Israel, what the Americans have been doing globally since 1900. It's all just an abuse of power and if religion is used as the excuse it makes the sense of purpose weaker.

It's not nothing to do with religion, but religion is certainly not the cause.

I fully expect to be called a Mansour sympathiser and latecomer by a load of reactionary knobheads now. Go for it.

Wow what a post :') Bravo!

 

[ElanJo]

I constantly here accusations that religion is being forced on people, there is at least one or two threads a month about it, but I can see no evidence of religion being forced upon anyone as I go about my day to day life. In fact I am pretty well travelled and can honestly say I have not seen any evidence of religion being forced down anyone's throat

My 6 year old son may beg to differ. As do I.

Really? He's had religion forced on him? Is he Catholic?

I would like to see some evidence of this happening but I've not seen much at all really, and I'm only 31, but I read a lot.

I'm not well-travelled but I've never read of anyone forced into religion recently. Coerced, perhaps; yes, there's plenty of cultures that demand obedience to their religion, but most just shun those who don't believe, they don't hunt them down like they do to the gays.

Persuaded, definitely. Made to feel so guilty that they convince themselves they believe... of course, but that's the Catholic way.

I know Christian missionaries who lived in Pakistan for some years in the 80s/90s, and another in Yemen very recently. I know plenty of non-Muslims who have lived and worked in the Middle East recently without any trouble other than the cultural decorum required; don't drink, don't kiss in public, don't expose your arms in church... sorry that one's Catholic too.

It may have escaped your attention but not every Islamic country wishes death to the Infidel. Well, maybe in Afghanistan under the Taliban there was a lot of persecution, there certainly was in Europe in the 1930s, but they are short windows in 5000 years of human history, much of which is documented including plenty of atrocities brought about by powerful lunatics, from the Egyptians to the Iranians. These are all basically single events that prove nothing other than human volatility and none are caused by religion.

And even within those extreme Islamic countries, like Afghanistan under the Taliban, not every Muslim wishes it, only the guys who have forced their way into power and abuse that power for religious ends. Ahmedinajad and Khomenyi are clearly zealots and they have a lot of support within the country, but the people of Iran clearly don't all want the extremism and most would probably not like to live in the middle ages if it came to that choice. It is little different to what Pol Pot did in Cambodia, what the Nazis did in Germany, what the Catholics/Protestants/Cromwell did here in the middle ages, what the Japanese did in WW2, what the state of Israel have been doing in Israel, what the Americans have been doing globally since 1900. It's all just an abuse of power and if religion is used as the excuse it makes the sense of purpose weaker.

It's not nothing to do with religion, but religion is certainly not the cause.

I fully expect to be called a Mansour sympathiser and latecomer by a load of reactionary knobheads now. Go for it.

Yes, children are forced into religion. A child does not have the mental ability to combat bullshit. It's brainwashing without as much effort. Brainwashing entails the breaking down of one's mental ability to reject information. Nature has seen to it that this integral part of brainwashing is not needed.

Just because physical force isn't needed (tho it does happen) is largely irrelevant. Cuts and bruises heal anyway, the bad part about physical force is the lasting mental impact. And that's what religions, particularly Christianity, specialise in.


As for the last part of your post, are you trying to tell us that religion is not the cause of any ill in the world?

 

[talkativesprout]

Is it possible in state school to object to any form of religious teaching ?

My son does not to need to know about fiction on that magnitude, how can you teach science in the same day you teach coming back from the dead.

 

[Skashion]

Teaching about religion in schools is valuable and denying kids knowledge of something that still impacts the world as much as it does is giving them a less than holistic education to put it mildly. As long as it is taught in a neutral fashion it should be done. Faith schools though should face the choice of going secular and losing their exclusionary elements or going solo without taxpayer-financed support. But, yes, it will be possible to object, but you shouldn't.

 

[johnmc]

So no one brings their kids up to be city fans?