Isnt it time cops had guns ?

[Bill Walker]

what if a bobby had been walking past or near the hacking of the soldier the other week, without a gun what would he have been expected to do ? and what in your opinion would he have actually done ?

Theres no way without a gun he couldve stopped the hacking and stabbing, by doing so he couldve risked the same fate, so really he couldnt have saved the soldiers life without a gun.

I know this is hypothetical but could well have happened or may well happen in the future.

Anyone who resorts to hypothetical scenarios to justify their stance has pretty much lost the argument already.
You want cops to be armed in this country - the police themselves don't, the public as a whole don't, and more importantly Bluemoon doesn't.
As you don't live here anymore, it isn't really an issue that should concern you on a daily basis.
But then ex-pats on here invariably seem to know what's best for a country they chose to abandon years ago.

I disagree, hypothetical situations are used all the time in Police & military training .

Its not a case of me wanting the Police in the UK to have guns its more a case of a discussion between people on a subject which merits discussion, if your not interested in discussing it or think my opinion is void as I left the UK then fine, but why bother posting in the thread ?

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

what if a bobby had been walking past or near the hacking of the soldier the other week, without a gun what would he have been expected to do ? and what in your opinion would he have actually done ?

Theres no way without a gun he couldve stopped the hacking and stabbing, by doing so he couldve risked the same fate, so really he couldnt have saved the soldiers life without a gun.

I know this is hypothetical but could well have happened or may well happen in the future.

Anyone who resorts to hypothetical scenarios to justify their stance has pretty much lost the argument already.
You want cops to be armed in this country - the police themselves don't, the public as a whole don't, and more importantly Bluemoon doesn't.
As you don't live here anymore, it isn't really an issue that should concern you on a daily basis.
But then ex-pats on here invariably seem to know what's best for a country they chose to abandon years ago.

Nah
merely an issue Ive thought about and wanted to get peoples opinions, whats wrong with that ?

absolutely no need to get all arsey about it

I wasn't being arsey - I don't have strong opinions on how a country 12,000 miles away should conduct itself, because it doesn't affect me in the slightest.
You have had folks opinions in spades, and the vast majority of them disagree with you, and they live here, but that still isn't enough for you, so you resort to hypothetical strawman logic as a last desperate throw of the dice to make your case.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but personally I think that those who actually live in a country have more right to influence decisions that affect them on a daily basis than those who live on the other side of the world.

 

[another generation]

I wish someone would talk some sense into the Norwegian police. After Behring Breivik went amok that July, the police union has been pressing to carry arms all the time. From what I've experienced of the Norwegian police, they are very slow at having procedures to deter, but very quick to react, usually in terms of storming in like bully-boys or creating a sense of full panic, often because they just don't take the time to assess the situation. One of the top-ranking officers resigned recently, as he didn't think he could be in charge of an armed force. Big shame.

It's scary to hear the opinions of the 'man in the street' over here. Sometimes, it's like living in the dark ages. People honestly (naively) believe that the criminals will give up if the police bear arms. This country has one of the highest weapon-per-head-of-population ratios in the world (think hunting, shooting, fishing) and arms control, I believe, is very poor. Anyone with a hunting licence holds their weapons at home, and those in the military are allowed extra weapons.

For one of the best countries to live in terms of social care and quality of life, I fear that Norway will turn itself into Little America if they end up arming the police. Very glad to hear that the great majority of British police want to remain unarmed. Maybe it's time to consider moving back home?

 

[Bill Walker]

Anyone who resorts to hypothetical scenarios to justify their stance has pretty much lost the argument already.
You want cops to be armed in this country - the police themselves don't, the public as a whole don't, and more importantly Bluemoon doesn't.
As you don't live here anymore, it isn't really an issue that should concern you on a daily basis.
But then ex-pats on here invariably seem to know what's best for a country they chose to abandon years ago.

Nah
merely an issue Ive thought about and wanted to get peoples opinions, whats wrong with that ?

absolutely no need to get all arsey about it

I wasn't being arsey - I don't have strong opinions on how a country 12,000 miles away should conduct itself, because it doesn't affect me in the slightest.
You have had folks opinions in spades, and the vast majority of them disagree with you, and they live here, but that still isn't enough for you, so you resort to hypothetical strawman logic as a last desperate throw of the dice to make your case.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but personally I think that those who actually live in a country have more right to influence decisions that affect them on a daily basis than those who live on the other side of the world.

Its just a discussion mate ffs

a member of my family is in the English Poilce force and a member of my family is about to join the Australian Police force so Im interested in this subject if thats ok with you.

The fact Im in Aus has nothing to do with anything, you were getting arsey with me for no apparent reason save probably to satisfy your personality which always seems antagonistic... thankfully most posters on bluemoon cellar are friendly and considerate and enjoy reasonable debate.

 

[Skashion]

a member of my family is in the English Poilce force

but 80% of the British police have told you they don't want guns...

 

[Bill Walker]

a member of my family is in the English Poilce force

but 80% of the British police have told you they don't want guns...

well that survey was done quite a few years ago, look, Im not saying they should have guns, I started this thread to get peoples opinions (in England) about it.
It seems the majority of the cellar dont want them either, thats been established but then I want to find out why that is, hence the hypothetical situation I concocted re the murdered soldier.
I actually think its quite admirable that they dont want to be armed.

 

[dazdon]

The police have a say in how they police but the final decision comes from the public.

If at any time the public decide the police shall have guns (I'm not wanting this though).

They will have guns.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

a member of my family is in the English Poilce force

but 80% of the British police have told you they don't want guns...

...a point which, despite being made at least half a dozen times on this thread our ex-pat friend singularly chooses to ignore.
I know - let's bring in legislation to force coppers who don't want guns to carry them anyway, in a country where most folk don't want them to be armed, a country which has lower incidences of violent crime than those where police are routinely armed, simply because some bloke 12,000 miles away think it would make them feel safer.
I think that the Australian government should tell Chinese mining companies to fuck off and stop digging up half the country.
Perhaps I should start a thread about it on an Aussie rules football website?

 

[pominoz]

a member of my family is in the English Poilce force

but 80% of the British police have told you they don't want guns...

...a point which, despite being made at least half a dozen times on this thread our ex-pat friend singularly chooses to ignore.
I know - let's bring in legislation to force coppers who don't want guns to carry them anyway, in a country where most folk don't want them to be armed, a country which has lower incidences of violent crime than those where police are routinely armed, simply because some bloke 12,000 miles away think it would make them feel safer.
I think that the Australian government should tell Chinese mining companies to fuck off and stop digging up half the country.
Perhaps I should start a thread about it on an Aussie rules football website?

I am with you on that one, then again how else are we going to pay for our giant prawns?
Also it would mean that evil, fat, ugly slut Gina Rinehart would be down to her last few billion dollars, how is she supposed to run a country on that?

 

[waterloo blue]

NSW police are in the high court at the moment as one of their officers shot and killed a mentally disturbed man who was harming himself.
She then lied in her statement saying he was going for her and got her junior colleague to corobarate her story ,only the testimony of both the victims dad(who was present) and the treating para-medic ensured the truth came out.
Physically smaller men and women officers intimidated by larger offenders,reach for their guns to control situations and sometimes incidents like this occur,they also carry tasers and recently tasered a Brazilian lad to death in Sydney for nicking a packet of biscuits,a number of officers will stand trial later this year for unlawful killing.
To say there are no risks or consequences from arming your police force is at the very least disingenuous,mind you if you're not indigenous you're usually safe as houses in Queensland.