Israel-Palestine Conflict

[Damocles]

I am interested in people's views on this.

I think it looks like what happens during a war.

 

[Eds]

Just been reading about this on another forum. Apparently the translation is maliciously all wrong. Remember the BBC with their malicious translations a few months ago? Some of these are not ordinary women, they are captured soldiers. There was no actual, or threat of, rape once properly translated.

Which forum? I haven't seen anywhere saying that the translation is incorrect. Captured soldiers or young girls in their pyjamas who were doing their two years mandatory military service. In the case of one, it was her first day. And if we accept they are legitimate targets then by the same principle aren't all are Gazans who take up arms. And before anyone moans, civilians on both sides have been killed, it's just a fact of war. See for the Uyghurs, Syrians, Sudanese, Ukrainians, Liberation of Congo etc. Why do so many people support Hamas terrorists who have raped, looted, murdered, beheaded, tortured, kidnapped so many innocents and continue to indiscriminately target civilians. If they lay down arms and return all the hostages, both dead and alive tomorrow then the fighting ends. Why aren't people marching for a ceasefire in Ukraine for instance in London every other week.

 

[Here4Politics]

Which forum? I haven't seen anywhere saying that the translation is incorrect. Captured soldiers or young girls in their pyjamas who were doing their two years mandatory military service. In the case of one, it was her first day. And if we accept they are legitimate targets then by the same principle aren't all are Gazans who take up arms. And before anyone moans, civilians on both sides have been killed, it's just a fact of war. See for the Uyghurs, Syrians, Sudanese, Ukrainians, Liberation of Congo etc. Why do so many people support Hamas terrorists who have raped, looted, murdered, beheaded, tortured, kidnapped so many innocents and continue to indiscriminately target civilians. If they lay down arms and return all the hostages, both dead and alive tomorrow then the fighting ends. Why aren't people marching for a ceasefire in Ukraine for instance in London every other week.

Ah, I see you.

 

[Bigga]

You don’t need to be a military expert to foresee this…

Well, somebody needs to explain to Piers Morgan the obvious results of Israel's attempted purge.

 

[Bigga]

Who knew that collective punishment of a civilian population—including intentional malnutrition/starvation of an entire population, mass (continual) forced displacement, intentional denial of adequate medical care, near complete destruction of what was already limited civilian infrastructure, razing of a majority of housing and social service facilities, mass murder of non-combatant women and children, torture of (in some cases, illegally held) prisoners, increasing illegal annexation of land and confiscation of property, and emboldened calls from high officers of government for the extermination of the ethnic group suffering all of this—would radicalise young men and women against the forces carrying it out?

Er, the absolute bellend Piers Morgan!!

 

[The blue phantom]

Seems Eds is doing his monthly visit to the thread spouting his usual bollocks of "Why do folk support Hamas"

I'll raise you 15'000+ Children blown up or crushed under rubble in Gaza. Or the Hundreds massacred in the West Bank due to the settlers.

 

[Scottyboi]

Which forum? I haven't seen anywhere saying that the translation is incorrect. Captured soldiers or young girls in their pyjamas who were doing their two years mandatory military service. In the case of one, it was her first day. And if we accept they are legitimate targets then by the same principle aren't all are Gazans who take up arms. And before anyone moans, civilians on both sides have been killed, it's just a fact of war. See for the Uyghurs, Syrians, Sudanese, Ukrainians, Liberation of Congo etc. Why do so many people support Hamas terrorists who have raped, looted, murdered, beheaded, tortured, kidnapped so many innocents and continue to indiscriminately target civilians. If they lay down arms and return all the hostages, both dead and alive tomorrow then the fighting ends. Why aren't people marching for a ceasefire in Ukraine for instance in London every other week.

That changes nothing you're still a soldier and a legitimate target if at war even if you're female. No one on here is supporting Hamas, what's happening completely disproportionate and genocidal by Israel.

Israeli government don't give a shit about the hostages otherwise they wouldn't have killed so many innocent people and instead would have chosen negotiations first. It's turned into a landgrab and a way of subjugating Palestinians even more.

 

[Bigga]

Netanyahu is (and has always been) a far-right, hateful, Machiavellian ****. He has now also become a spineless puppet. But he is not stupid—though, many members of the far-right regime are.

This was never really about destroying Hamas or getting the hostages back. He knew Israel was never going to be able to eliminate Hamas (or a similar militant terrorist organisation) via military operations, much less through scorched earth warfare. I said this from the moment Netanyahu proclaimed Israeli government intentions with the response to the 7 October attacks.

This was always primarily about achieving a “solution” to the “Palestinian problem”, as his Kahanist ministers have said many times, and remaining in power.

Whether Netanyahu and co directly or indirectly welcomed the horrific 7 October attacks or were genuinely taken completely off guard by them despite numerous warnings from various entities leading up to the brutal rampage, he and his cronies (and now handlers) immediately jumped upon it as an opportunity to deflect accountability and consequence for all of their corruption and deep unpopularity in Israel, and enact their vision for a restored Israel from the river to the sea, with not a single concern given for Palestinians in the Strip or the West Bank, or the ramifications of expanding presence in Jerusalem.

This is their twisted, genocidal wet dream, just as the destruction of Israel and the extermination of Jews as a people is Hamas’ sick fantasy.

To be clear, I am talking about Netanyahu and the far-right regime (including elements of the military and intelligence services), not the entire population of Israel. But there is a frighteningly large cohort within Israel that fully support the regimes actions and rhetoric.

And that should be a grave concern for everyone, Jew or gentile. As they have made Israel in to a rogue state, carrying out injustices and atrocities on an even larger scale than that of Hamas, PIJ, and Hezbollah at this point (almost entirely because they have the resources to do it; it is important to emphasise that Hamas and others would absolutely do this to Israel if they could).

But those claiming there is no equivalence of what Netanyahu far-right regime is doing in Gaza and the West Bank now to what Hamas did on 7 October or before are being exceedingly intellectually dishonest.

They all need to go, but I don’t see how that happens, unfortunately.

Right now, Israel is hurtling toward a state of perpetual war. Which tragically suits the likes of Haniyeh, al-Nakhalah, Nasrallah, Sinwar, Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, Smotrich, Gallant, and others just fine.

I don't think Netanyahu "welcomed" 'Oct 7th' as such.

Personally, I think he and his team planned it and I think it was planned with the 'leaders' of Hamas. Coincidental that a super secure area had very little security at the point of entry for Hamas, no?

Netanyahu encouraged, funded and GREW Hamas.

When Netanyahu is actively giving Hamas millions of dollars and the Hamas leaders are suddenly billionaires out of thin air, giving Netanyahu cause to point the finger and say "Look, they are billionaires!"

I heard much of this over the years.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Which forum? I haven't seen anywhere saying that the translation is incorrect. Captured soldiers or young girls in their pyjamas who were doing their two years mandatory military service. In the case of one, it was her first day. And if we accept they are legitimate targets then by the same principle aren't all are Gazans who take up arms. And before anyone moans, civilians on both sides have been killed, it's just a fact of war. See for the Uyghurs, Syrians, Sudanese, Ukrainians, Liberation of Congo etc. Why do so many people support Hamas terrorists who have raped, looted, murdered, beheaded, tortured, kidnapped so many innocents and continue to indiscriminately target civilians. If they lay down arms and return all the hostages, both dead and alive tomorrow then the fighting ends. Why aren't people marching for a ceasefire in Ukraine for instance in London every other week.

Who are these “so many people” supporting Hamas?

And when have civilians ever been completely fair game under the rules of engagement or war?

Do you genuinely believe that starving Palestinian women and children living in cars, tents, and alley ways, constantly being told to leave the area they were told to was “safe” to go to another area that is supposedly “safe”, only for that area to be bombed as soon as they arrive, have the ability to force Hamas to lay down their arms and return the hostages? Or would even want to do that at this point?

Do you genuinely believe that the current Netanyahu-led far-right (largely Kahanist) Israeli regime, who are currently only in power because of the war, are simply going to withdraw all troops and cease all operations in the Strip and the West Bank, cease forced displacement, confiscation of property, and illegal annexation of land in the West Bank, and release the thousands of (in some cases, illegally) detained Palestinians if Hamas did unconditionally surrender?

And there were marches and protests for a ceasefire in Ukraine early on. The reason they are few and far between now compared to those for Palestine is because it became very clear the UK (and US) had almost no diplomatic influence over Putin’s actions in Ukraine (and beyond), so mass civilian protests are pretty ineffective in achieving substantive change in Ukraine. Whereas the UK (and the US) has quite a lot of diplomatic influence over Israel and so placing pressure on governments domestically could actually have a substantive impact on the plight of the Palestinian people.

 

[Eds]

Ah, I see you.

Great, so which forum?