Israel-Palestine Conflict

Those supporting Israel in their genocide, mass murder, land grab … are hypocrites and complicit in Israel’s actions. They have no legitimate defence of Israel’s actions so resort to making prolonged arguments over daily issues to avoid talking about the longer term issues.

I hope everyone complicit in genocide and mass murder of innocents (thousands of children and women) die a slow and painful death. And that applies to anyone complicity in murder of anyone innocent, Palestinian or Israeli.
 
inbetween said:
You've already answered your own question. Hamas previously attacked from afar with rockets and anything else near the border fence usually amounted to Palestinians throwing rocks. Gaza is not peaceful but why would the Israeli's be worried? There is a complacency there that nothing really bad is going to happen because it hasn't happened before.

It is definitely possible that Israeli intelligence didn't know the details of the attack in terms of the day, method and timing. If you don't know any or all of these and your attackers plan an attack early morning on a quiet holy day.... How is it possible that you could repel a sudden attack of a 3000 strong army, some of whom have literally flown over the border fence into Israel?

As has already been posted there are countless examples of such intelligence failures in history. The biggest questions of Israeli intelligence and the armed forces will be asked on complacency and not conspiracy.
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You may be right. We will see.

But which is it? Hamas is an organisation that fires rockets "from afar" into Israel and gets kids to throw stones? Or an existential threat? They can't be one one day and the other the next.

If they have been an existential threat for the last 20 years it stretches credulity that Hamas hasn't been infiltrated, that there aren't scores of informants in Gaza and that movements and conversations aren't monitored. Troops must be in a state of alert permanently, surely, against such a threat?

But all they had to do was attack without notice early in the morning on a Holy day? What you call complacency I would call, at least, negligence.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Given this and the fact that there is a near full fixture list on Saturday leads one to doubt they have any allegiance to football at all ......

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There might be a few on here that’ll go down to help the buffer and help “keep the peace”.

“Keep the peace” having its secondary meaning of shouting words like respect whilst daring people to go too far.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Given this and the fact that there is a near full fixture list on Saturday leads one to doubt they have any allegiance to football at all ......

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The last time this bunch of losers did anything only a handful turned up. Irrelevant bunch of EDL/NF/BNP tossers.

The fact that the Palestine march and the remembrance events are separated by both time and distance I suspect their “buffer” will turn into a small group of bellends going out on the piss in London whilst looking for random people to fight.
 
arbabarshad said:
Those supporting Israel in their genocide, mass murder, land grab … are hypocrites and complicit in Israel’s actions. They have no legitimate defence of Israel’s actions so resort to making prolonged arguments over daily issues to avoid talking about the longer term issues.

I hope everyone complicit in genocide and mass murder of innocents (thousands of children and women) die a slow and painful death. And that applies to anyone complicity in murder of anyone innocent, Palestinian or Israeli.
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Like being roasted to death in an oven maybe?
 
halfcenturyup said:
You may be right. We will see.

But which is it? Hamas is an organisation that fires rockets "from afar" into Israel and gets kids to throw stones? Or an existential threat? They can't be one one day and the other the next.

If they have been an existential threat for the last 20 years it stretches credulity that Hamas hasn't been infiltrated, that there aren't scores of informants in Gaza and that movements and conversations aren't monitored. Troops must be in a state of alert permanently, surely, against such a threat?

But all they had to do was attack without notice early in the morning on a Holy day? What you call complacency I would call, at least, negligence.
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That sort of capability is completely unprecedented. Have you seen their extensive military infrastructure throughout Gaza or the Hamas command HQ built below a hospital? Hamas has only really existed in Gaza militarily since 2006 but they're clearly no longer a relatively unthreatening Palestinian resistance movement. It is now a well equipped terrorist army that has its own aims that are far beyond the needs of the Palestinians.

Many people on here have ridiculous selective amnesia. Even if there is a ceasefire, are Hezbollah going to cease their attacks on the northern border? What about the Houthi's and recent attacks on Israel and US airbases? What about the rhetoric coming from an entire country such as Iran, thank christ we stopped them from getting nuclear weapons!

It's hard to understand how much the game against Israel has changed and escalated massively in just a month. Hamas probably wanted to provoke Israel and then use the response to get the likes of Hezbollah and Iran onboard which has clearly been extremely successful. What was the alternative for Israel though? Do nothing?

If anything, what Hamas did however was the biggest blow to the Palestinian movement ever and it will send them towards further pain and misery. It just proves that Hamas does not represent nor aim to do the best by the Palestinian people and so the only way forward is that they must be removed.
 
inbetween said:
That sort of capability is completely unprecedented. Have you seen their extensive military infrastructure throughout Gaza or the Hamas command HQ built below a hospital? Hamas has only really existed in Gaza militarily since 2006 but they're clearly no longer a relatively unthreatening Palestinian resistance movement. It is now a well equipped terrorist army that has its own aims that are far beyond the needs of the Palestinians.

Many people on here have ridiculous selective amnesia. Even if there is a ceasefire, are Hezbollah going to cease their attacks on the northern border? What about the Houthi's and recent attacks on Israel and US airbases? What about the rhetoric coming from an entire country such as Iran, thank christ we stopped them from getting nuclear weapons!

It's hard to understand how much the game against Israel has changed and escalated massively in just a month. Hamas probably wanted to provoke Israel and then use the response to get the likes of Hezbollah and Iran onboard which has clearly been extremely successful. What was the alternative for Israel though? Do nothing?

If anything, what Hamas did however was the biggest blow to the Palestinian movement ever and it will send them towards further pain and misery. It just proves that Hamas does not represent nor aim to do the best by the Palestinian people and so the only way forward is that they must be removed.
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What is best by Palestinian people? Being told to leave their homeland en mass ? To maybe save their lives if not killed on the way? Or in a refugee camp ?
Are Israelis going to do the best by Palestinian people?
Hamas killed innocent people, whoever is responsible should be made to account for it but should those responsible on Israeli side be brought to account for killing innocents before 7 October ? And since ?
 
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