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It hasn't upset me as much as I thought I would
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eastmanc
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We hamstrung ourselves with the team selection, that is what is so disappointing. If we had played the side that beat PSG and got beaten then there wouldn’t have been that feeling of what if.My point is that we have played with 1 holding DM all season, either Rodri or Ferna. We won the league and played brilliant football in a system that worked. Not starting either last night was a massive gamble that imo affected us both defensively and offensively as Gundog was out of position for their goal and in general couldn't impact going forward from a deeper position. Pep tinkered with a proven formula and I think it cost us last night.
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Great occasion spoilt by a game of football.My thoughts exactly gutted we didn’t win, think it was just I had a fantastic day, what a lovely place Porto was.
well done the club for looking after us with flights & transfers
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It's still been a good season but of course we're going to feel a bit shit in loosing a final especially in the spineless way that we did not for a second did he really think we was going to score in that second half
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critics need to be constructive and not knee jerk.Totally agree, but what I don't agree with is all those behaving like glory hunters last night slagging of the team and manager because we lost. We don't have a God given right to win everything.
OK my take for what it's worth. I'm not totally devasted, I'm upset yes, just like after losing any big match but we've been through far, far worse so devastated? No.
Am I unhappy with the team selection or the way we played? No. Why? Team Selection: As I've just mentioned in one reply. Most seem to be berating starting without Fernandinho or Rodri, but both players started the FAC Cup defeat so it wouldn't necessarily have solved anything.
Sterling? Nobody said it was a mistake for Chelsea to play Werner. He's got 6 goals from 35 (or so) matches in the Prem, Sterling has 10 from 31 starts. A top striker doesn't become a crap striker overnight and he was probably our biggest threat in the first half. Who's to say before the match he isn't going to score? (For the same reason I thought that knowing our luck, Werner will score).
Tactics: For me, the reason behind the tactics were as follows: Chelsea have beaten us twice and know exactly how we play. Tuchel is a VERY good tactician, and Pep knew that starting the XI we all purportedly wanted was effectively telling them exactly what they were up against, and that may have given them a mental edge having already won twice recently. I think to get around that he HAD to change it.
I think the idea was to try to get an early lead, with Mahrez, Stirling, Foden forming an attacking lineup and then possibly bring on the holding midfielder later to shore things up. I didn't think we did a huge amount wrong, we started OK with a break right from the kick off and while we didn't have too many shots that was testament to their defence rather than City playing badly.
The match stats show that we had 7 shots in total, they had 8, while we had 4 blocked to just one by them. So it was tight. Overall we had 3 corners to their 1, 25 throw ins to their 17, 88% pass success rate to their 81, 20 aerial balls won to their 16, and just 8 clearances to their 26. Overall possession was 60/40 so please stop telling me they didn't turn up.
At the end of the day it was a long pass forward from more or less the half way line, great pass that led to their goal. On another day Havertz could have tried to chip the keeper and put it over the bar, tried to slide it past Eddy and gone wide and so on. We see one on ones missed every day. Last night he didn't. We don't know if Ferdo or Rodri would have been there to prevent the pass. On another day you don't see the superb tackle that stopped Foden from scoring; on another day you'll see player sent off for far less that that block tackle on KDB, and you'll see KDB put in one killer pass that gets us back in the game. It was just fine margins, they set out to be good defensively and last night they were very good. We weren't crap, they stifled us well. They didn't hammer us, we lost by the finest of margins. There was nothing there to suggest to me that playing either DM would have changed anything for the better.
Should Pep have changed it? Well the alternative was showing Chelsea the team they'd probably prepared for anyway. We might have lost by more. But we have a manager that has been there, bought the T-shirt and so on and has earned the right to do what he thinks will work for us. For me, it was worth a punt against a side that he KNEW had the measure of us. If it pays off he's a hero.
Tell me to fuck off by all means, but for me the real disappointment was the post-match thread last night. How can people slag off the team and manager and say it's embarrasing? For me, it's embarrassing to have won the title, especially after a poor start, the league cup for a record successive 4th consecutive time, and let's not forget, 6 times in 8 years, and see Aguero beat Rooney's all time one club scoring record on the last day, then see all those posts deriding the team and the manager.
I'm disappointed, but more in the reaction rather than the match. Seems to me that we've just turned into what we used to hate the most - glory hunters who think we have a God given right to win everything and can't take a defeat on the chin, and that's sad when I think back to how well we took it in the late 90's and bounced back. That hurts more than the defeat last night ever will. Today I'm ashamed to be a City fan, and none of it has anything to do with the way we played last night.
Am I unhappy with the team selection or the way we played? No. Why? Team Selection: As I've just mentioned in one reply. Most seem to be berating starting without Fernandinho or Rodri, but both players started the FAC Cup defeat so it wouldn't necessarily have solved anything.
Sterling? Nobody said it was a mistake for Chelsea to play Werner. He's got 6 goals from 35 (or so) matches in the Prem, Sterling has 10 from 31 starts. A top striker doesn't become a crap striker overnight and he was probably our biggest threat in the first half. Who's to say before the match he isn't going to score? (For the same reason I thought that knowing our luck, Werner will score).
Tactics: For me, the reason behind the tactics were as follows: Chelsea have beaten us twice and know exactly how we play. Tuchel is a VERY good tactician, and Pep knew that starting the XI we all purportedly wanted was effectively telling them exactly what they were up against, and that may have given them a mental edge having already won twice recently. I think to get around that he HAD to change it.
I think the idea was to try to get an early lead, with Mahrez, Stirling, Foden forming an attacking lineup and then possibly bring on the holding midfielder later to shore things up. I didn't think we did a huge amount wrong, we started OK with a break right from the kick off and while we didn't have too many shots that was testament to their defence rather than City playing badly.
The match stats show that we had 7 shots in total, they had 8, while we had 4 blocked to just one by them. So it was tight. Overall we had 3 corners to their 1, 25 throw ins to their 17, 88% pass success rate to their 81, 20 aerial balls won to their 16, and just 8 clearances to their 26. Overall possession was 60/40 so please stop telling me they didn't turn up.
At the end of the day it was a long pass forward from more or less the half way line, great pass that led to their goal. On another day Havertz could have tried to chip the keeper and put it over the bar, tried to slide it past Eddy and gone wide and so on. We see one on ones missed every day. Last night he didn't. We don't know if Ferdo or Rodri would have been there to prevent the pass. On another day you don't see the superb tackle that stopped Foden from scoring; on another day you'll see player sent off for far less that that block tackle on KDB, and you'll see KDB put in one killer pass that gets us back in the game. It was just fine margins, they set out to be good defensively and last night they were very good. We weren't crap, they stifled us well. They didn't hammer us, we lost by the finest of margins. There was nothing there to suggest to me that playing either DM would have changed anything for the better.
Should Pep have changed it? Well the alternative was showing Chelsea the team they'd probably prepared for anyway. We might have lost by more. But we have a manager that has been there, bought the T-shirt and so on and has earned the right to do what he thinks will work for us. For me, it was worth a punt against a side that he KNEW had the measure of us. If it pays off he's a hero.
Tell me to fuck off by all means, but for me the real disappointment was the post-match thread last night. How can people slag off the team and manager and say it's embarrasing? For me, it's embarrassing to have won the title, especially after a poor start, the league cup for a record successive 4th consecutive time, and let's not forget, 6 times in 8 years, and see Aguero beat Rooney's all time one club scoring record on the last day, then see all those posts deriding the team and the manager.
I'm disappointed, but more in the reaction rather than the match. Seems to me that we've just turned into what we used to hate the most - glory hunters who think we have a God given right to win everything and can't take a defeat on the chin, and that's sad when I think back to how well we took it in the late 90's and bounced back. That hurts more than the defeat last night ever will. Today I'm ashamed to be a City fan, and none of it has anything to do with the way we played last night.
BTH
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Piss off who ever isn’t bothered. Our lost cup final loss was to Wigan 8 years ago, I forgot what the pain felt like. Whether it’s the champions league final or carabao cup, it’s hard to take.
We've never lost a Carabao Cup Final.
I went against Wigan and I went last night.
Wigan was worse IMO but that was the day I last spoke to my dad, who died unexpectedly that night.
I was braced for a defeat last night. It was just one game too many and first-time Finalists rarely beat previous winners.
I imagine we'll reach another Final before long; if Pep's still manager he'll not make the same mistake twice.
Manchester_lalala
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We've never lost a Carabao Cup Final. I went against Wigan and I went last night.
Wigan was worse IMO but that was the day I last spoke to my dad, who died unexpectedly that night.
I was braced for a defeat last night. It was just one game too many and first-time Finalists rarely beat previous winners.
I imagine we'll reach another Final before long; if Pep's still manager he'll not make the same mistake twice.
I didn’t say we had lost a carabao cup final. But imagine it would be hard to take like any final.