It's quiet 10, no apologies! (continued)

[wahooblue]

Some of you really are clueless about the game and what makes a good player!! :(

RVP would be an excellent signing in my opinion.

He has alays been top class but last season he really 'came of age' and had clearly finally 'got' being a striker.

If we look at his stats over the last 4 seasons -

2011/12 - Apps 47 Goals 37 Assists 15

2010/11 - Apps 33 Goals 22 Assists 7

2009/10 - Apps 20 Goals 10 Assists 8

2008/9 - Apps 44 Goals 20 Assists 15

Played 144, Scored 89, Assisted 45

So adding together his goals scored and assists he's delivered (been directly involved in the scoring of) some 134 goals in 144 appearances.

That equates to an average of 34 goals per season he's played a part in.

and for those of you who consider him a crock he's played an average of 36 games per season over the last 4 seasons.

At 29, yes he's no spring chicken, but he has 3 years left. Look at the stats above and explain why he wouldn't make an excellent addition to our squad?

Falcao is the better choice and younger.

On what basis? Falcao scored a lot of his goals whilst at at River and Porto - hardly premiership quality leagues are they?

He isn't 'proven' in the premiership. RVP is and to some tune.

Falcao would cost twice as much to.

RVP would clearly be a miles more prudent and appropriate signing.

Just my opinion. Falcao certainly proved he can score in a big league against world class teams this season. Costing twice as much is an exaggeration. When you consider RVPs age and injury record I am not sure he is more prudent or appropriate.

 

[MSP]

Falcao over RVP for me too anytime..

 

[wahooblue]

A laughable rumour, Tevez + Dzeko for Ibra + Silva would be more reasonable with a bit of City cash thrown in.

Little more than a bit (probably close to 15 million), but yeah.

 

[MSP]

the part of RVP's interview in Italian press:

"Juve? They are a great team, of course. I agreed not to discuss my future with Arsenal."

He added: "I can only say that my intention is to play in the European Championship. And then go on to win the Champions League."

Hm.. I doubt he expects the latter one with Arsenal or Juventus.

 

[LoveCity]

I don't know, Juventus look well set up for Europe but need more cutting edge up front, which is probably why they're after a marquee striker. I think Juve could do well in the CL and I rate Vidal as one of the best midfielders in Europe now. There's no Champions League guarantees with us either, could take us years to win it.

 

[sincity]

Not really. LoveCity has documented Atletico's financial trouble. 30 million more would be a 60 million pound fee (when you consider the wages we would have to pay RVP). I would say possibly an extra 10-15 million more is more realistic. When you consider the income either would generate by getting us further into the CL (and possibly winning it) I would bet that Falco would actually be cheaper over the long haul. We could always sell him in 4 years....not an option for RVP.

Falcao would cost £40-50 million + high end wages.

He will not leave Atletico this summer, you can quote me on that.

High wages but not RVP high. So at 45 million, and less wages than RVP we are at around an extra 15 million. I expect he could be had for closer to 40 though. Not saying I think he will leave Madrid....just wish he would.

Speaking of wages, why are we even considering to pay 25-30mil on a player, even if he's world-class, when he has only one year left in his contract? (yes, I'm still shocked at how easily that club whose name I can't pronounce got Hoillet for just 900k lol )
Arsenal hates us with a passion anyway, it's not going to change if we add another 10mil..
Earlier rumors of 18-20mil would make RVP an excellent buy....

 

[Stoned Rose]

On what basis? Falcao scored a lot of his goals whilst at at River and Porto - hardly premiership quality leagues are they?

He isn't 'proven' in the premiership. RVP is and to some tune.

Falcao would cost twice as much to.

RVP would clearly be a miles more prudent and appropriate signing.

Actually, Falcao has proved himself in 3 leagues with Spain being the highlight, so I think we can safely assume he will also prove himself in the Premier League if he ever to switch..
By your own logic, I should be seeing Torres and Carroll lighting up the Premier League. They simply switched teams while thought to be premiership quality, but then turned out to be mega flops..

Like Tolmie said, looking purely on a short-term perspective, RVP would be a good addition for us to challenge for the Champions League, assuming that he continues his form at City. But I think RVP is no Nasri...he will try his best to appease the Arsenal fans, which can mean moving abroad to another club that's in the Champions League..

I dont agree with the examples you use mate, Torres aside.

1. Andy Caroll was not 'proven' in the prem by any stretch:

2006/7 Apps 7 goals 0
2007/8 Apps 6 goals 0
2008/9 - Apps 14 goals 3
2010/11 - Apps 20 goals 11
(Newcastle weren't in the premiership 2009/10)

So that's 14 goals in 47 games prior to joining Liverpool.

Hardly 'proven'. In fact that's a shite return for a centre forward.

2. Falcao has been a success in Spain - well yes for the 1 year he's been there, but that doesn't necessarily mean that'd translate to success in the Prem. Many 'great' players have switched leagues and failed miserably.

The bigger names amongst this list would be:

Veron, Shevchenko, Forlan, Reyes, Mutu, Aquilani, Robinho, Brolin, Rebrov.......

What I'm saying is yes they're both great players but RVP is proven in our league over several seasons, the other kid isnt and he'd be the more expensive of the two. For me that's a total and utter no brainer.

 

[MSP]

I don't know, Juventus look well set up for Europe but need more cutting edge up front, which is probably why they're after a marquee striker. I think Juve could do well in the CL and I rate Vidal as one of the best midfielders in Europe now. There's no Champions League guarantees with us either, could take us years to win it.

Doesn't have to be us, may be Barcelona too, they're often in news about rvp

there's no guarantee for CL for anyone but I don't think Juve is going to have a serious CL run soon. They were very good last year but they didn't play European games at all and could concentrate on domestic stuff, still don't think they're so good.

 

[Joehannes]

I don't know, Juventus look well set up for Europe but need more cutting edge up front, which is probably why they're after a marquee striker. I think Juve could do well in the CL and I rate Vidal as one of the best midfielders in Europe now. There's no Champions League guarantees with us either, could take us years to win it.

Doesn't have to be us, may be Barcelona too, they're often in news about rvp

there's no guarantee for CL for anyone but I don't think Juve is going to have a serious CL run soon. They were very good last year but they didn't play European games at all and could concentrate on domestic stuff, still don't think they're so good.

I'd be surprised if Barca signed RVP. He'd occupy so much of Messi's space

 

[mancityscot]

boring as fuck. close the transfer forum till after the euros