NipHolmes said:LongsightM13 said:We have a relatively young squad which was put together in a short time frame, with bags of scope for improvement. This doesn't even take into account the added belief of having on the all-important first title.NipHolmes said:Cheers,
It is a bullshit statement from any poster on here to validate the option of keeping what we have without adding to what we have. Labelling people 'flappers' because they worry about CB and CM, people must have gone on holiday when the ACON was on last year when our form nose-dived and we lost to LFC in the CC.
United have exactly the same team as last year + RVP, Kagawa and Powell and they finished same point as us.
END FUCKING DEBATE.
They have a relatively ageing squad, many of the key components of which are in terminal decline and/or nearing retirement.
Buying for the sake of it is a fool's errand which will create more problems than it solves.
We have plenty of money and there are still two weeks of the window left.
We have an amazing squad already. Just because we have a bit of patience, belief in our players and don't demand the moon on a fucking stick like a spoiled child, doesn't mean you are right, no matter how much you shout, swear or stamp your feet.
Yes we do have a young squad but Barry is 31 and Lescott 29, Barry is injured and we have no-one of quality to cover Lescott or replace even.
I'm not asking for Falcoa, Pedro, Scweinsteiger etc. I am asking for a CB and CDM to cover what were our weaknesses last season. I implore anybody to argue otherwise to watch us when we fielded Savic and to watch us v Arsenal when Yaya went off, even QPR match was a whole deal tougher after he want off after teeing up Zaba.
I'm not being spoilt and I don't see the past as relevant to now. We are league champion that equalled a points tally of a rival that has strengthened and we are looking to win this year and build a dynasty. Our rivals across Europe aren't standing still so why are we? Are all of them wrong and you right? If Mancini does sign a CB and CM does that mean you and others will put hands up to the 'flappers' and say they had points?
JosMCFC said:No I couldn't care less what pups like u think its my opinion and if You don't like it jog the fuck onalky313 said:JosMCFC said:Worst in many years surely we can bring at least 1 big name in
Go home flapper.
LoveCity said:What can be said about this transfer window is that we've continued to lay down foundations for the future. The kids we are bringing in are very high-end prospects who have been scouted by top European clubs. They are quiet off the radar deals that could have long benefits for us if they are developed properly.
No, I recognise as much as anybody the areas which require strengthening. But we have money, and it is two weeks until the end of the window. Would rather we tried to get the right deals for the right players than just buy the first passing centre half who is better than Savic, for whatever price his current club demands.NipHolmes said:LongsightM13 said:We have a relatively young squad which was put together in a short time frame, with bags of scope for improvement. This doesn't even take into account the added belief of having on the all-important first title.NipHolmes said:Cheers,
It is a bullshit statement from any poster on here to validate the option of keeping what we have without adding to what we have. Labelling people 'flappers' because they worry about CB and CM, people must have gone on holiday when the ACON was on last year when our form nose-dived and we lost to LFC in the CC.
United have exactly the same team as last year + RVP, Kagawa and Powell and they finished same point as us.
END FUCKING DEBATE.
They have a relatively ageing squad, many of the key components of which are in terminal decline and/or nearing retirement.
Buying for the sake of it is a fool's errand which will create more problems than it solves.
We have plenty of money and there are still two weeks of the window left.
We have an amazing squad already. Just because we have a bit of patience, belief in our players and don't demand the moon on a fucking stick like a spoiled child, doesn't mean you are right, no matter how much you shout, swear or stamp your feet.
Yes we do have a young squad but Barry is 31 and Lescott 29, Barry is injured and we have no-one of quality to cover Lescott or replace even.
I'm not asking for Falcoa, Pedro, Scweinsteiger etc. I am asking for a CB and CDM to cover what were our weaknesses last season. I implore anybody to argue otherwise to watch us when we fielded Savic and to watch us v Arsenal when Yaya went off, even QPR match was a whole deal tougher after he want off after teeing up Zaba.
I'm not being spoilt and I don't see the past as relevant to now. We are league champion that equalled a points tally of a rival that has strengthened and we are looking to win this year and build a dynasty. Our rivals across Europe aren't standing still so why are we? Are all of them wrong and you right? If Mancini does sign a CB and CM does that mean you and others will put hands up to the 'flappers' and say they had points?
bowdonblue said:NipHolmes said:LongsightM13 said:We have a relatively young squad which was put together in a short time frame, with bags of scope for improvement. This doesn't even take into account the added belief of having on the all-important first title.
They have a relatively ageing squad, many of the key components of which are in terminal decline and/or nearing retirement.
Buying for the sake of it is a fool's errand which will create more problems than it solves.
We have plenty of money and there are still two weeks of the window left.
We have an amazing squad already. Just because we have a bit of patience, belief in our players and don't demand the moon on a fucking stick like a spoiled child, doesn't mean you are right, no matter how much you shout, swear or stamp your feet.
Yes we do have a young squad but Barry is 31 and Lescott 29, Barry is injured and we have no-one of quality to cover Lescott or replace even.
I'm not asking for Falcoa, Pedro, Scweinsteiger etc. I am asking for a CB and CDM to cover what were our weaknesses last season. I implore anybody to argue otherwise to watch us when we fielded Savic and to watch us v Arsenal when Yaya went off, even QPR match was a whole deal tougher after he want off after teeing up Zaba.
I'm not being spoilt and I don't see the past as relevant to now. We are league champion that equalled a points tally of a rival that has strengthened and we are looking to win this year and build a dynasty. Our rivals across Europe aren't standing still so why are we? Are all of them wrong and you right? If Mancini does sign a CB and CM does that mean you and others will put hands up to the 'flappers' and say they had points?
bowdonblue said:NipHolmes said:LongsightM13 said:We have a relatively young squad which was put together in a short time frame, with bags of scope for improvement. This doesn't even take into account the added belief of having on the all-important first title.
They have a relatively ageing squad, many of the key components of which are in terminal decline and/or nearing retirement.
Buying for the sake of it is a fool's errand which will create more problems than it solves.
We have plenty of money and there are still two weeks of the window left.
We have an amazing squad already. Just because we have a bit of patience, belief in our players and don't demand the moon on a fucking stick like a spoiled child, doesn't mean you are right, no matter how much you shout, swear or stamp your feet.
Yes we do have a young squad but Barry is 31 and Lescott 29, Barry is injured and we have no-one of quality to cover Lescott or replace even.
I'm not asking for Falcoa, Pedro, Scweinsteiger etc. I am asking for a CB and CDM to cover what were our weaknesses last season. I implore anybody to argue otherwise to watch us when we fielded Savic and to watch us v Arsenal when Yaya went off, even QPR match was a whole deal tougher after he want off after teeing up Zaba.
I'm not being spoilt and I don't see the past as relevant to now. We are league champion that equalled a points tally of a rival that has strengthened and we are looking to win this year and build a dynasty. Our rivals across Europe aren't standing still so why are we? Are all of them wrong and you right? If Mancini does sign a CB and CM does that mean you and others will put hands up to the 'flappers' and say they had points?
I think we need another quality CB, BUT don't forget that Tevez was missing (first sulking and then literally) for last season, and now looks very, very good. If Dzeko and Balo stay fot and motivated, then we have a better strike force than Man U, in my opinion.
Also Rodwell can apparently play CB when necessary.
So we do need another signing, but it's not as bad as some seem to think.
JosMCFC said:Worst in many years surely we can bring at least 1 big name in
LongsightM13 said:No, I recognise as much as anybody the areas which require strengthening. But we have money, and it is two weeks until the end of the window. Would rather we tried to get the right deals for the right players than just buy the first passing centre half who is better than Savic, for whatever price his current club demands.NipHolmes said:LongsightM13 said:We have a relatively young squad which was put together in a short time frame, with bags of scope for improvement. This doesn't even take into account the added belief of having on the all-important first title.
They have a relatively ageing squad, many of the key components of which are in terminal decline and/or nearing retirement.
Buying for the sake of it is a fool's errand which will create more problems than it solves.
We have plenty of money and there are still two weeks of the window left.
We have an amazing squad already. Just because we have a bit of patience, belief in our players and don't demand the moon on a fucking stick like a spoiled child, doesn't mean you are right, no matter how much you shout, swear or stamp your feet.
Yes we do have a young squad but Barry is 31 and Lescott 29, Barry is injured and we have no-one of quality to cover Lescott or replace even.
I'm not asking for Falcoa, Pedro, Scweinsteiger etc. I am asking for a CB and CDM to cover what were our weaknesses last season. I implore anybody to argue otherwise to watch us when we fielded Savic and to watch us v Arsenal when Yaya went off, even QPR match was a whole deal tougher after he want off after teeing up Zaba.
I'm not being spoilt and I don't see the past as relevant to now. We are league champion that equalled a points tally of a rival that has strengthened and we are looking to win this year and build a dynasty. Our rivals across Europe aren't standing still so why are we? Are all of them wrong and you right? If Mancini does sign a CB and CM does that mean you and others will put hands up to the 'flappers' and say they had points?
grim up north said:JosMCFC said:Worst in many years surely we can bring at least 1 big name in
And which big name is currently up for sale
NipHolmes said:LongsightM13 said:No, I recognise as much as anybody the areas which require strengthening. But we have money, and it is two weeks until the end of the window. Would rather we tried to get the right deals for the right players than just buy the first passing centre half who is better than Savic, for whatever price his current club demands.NipHolmes said:Yes we do have a young squad but Barry is 31 and Lescott 29, Barry is injured and we have no-one of quality to cover Lescott or replace even.
I'm not asking for Falcoa, Pedro, Scweinsteiger etc. I am asking for a CB and CDM to cover what were our weaknesses last season. I implore anybody to argue otherwise to watch us when we fielded Savic and to watch us v Arsenal when Yaya went off, even QPR match was a whole deal tougher after he want off after teeing up Zaba.
I'm not being spoilt and I don't see the past as relevant to now. We are league champion that equalled a points tally of a rival that has strengthened and we are looking to win this year and build a dynasty. Our rivals across Europe aren't standing still so why are we? Are all of them wrong and you right? If Mancini does sign a CB and CM does that mean you and others will put hands up to the 'flappers' and say they had points?
At which point did I say we must sign a player asap and at risk? I never once made a statement like that. We need to sign creme of the crop always from here on in and that is why transfers will be difficult.
No offense but you're preaching to the converted.
My whole point is that 'the flappers' have a point as long as they are sensible in approach. No point signing a.n.ybody just to appease, but WE DO NEED to sign quality individuals that boost our team and squad strength. Areas already pointed out.
I just detest the stand still mentality, no successful club does this. They build year on year. Just like Mancini said and just like any manager will say, you gather and build and you always look for improvement. That way you reach the top, which is where I want City. Not just champs of the league but also the kings of Europe.
WAR!!!
-- Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:02 pm --
grim up north said:JosMCFC said:Worst in many years surely we can bring at least 1 big name in
And which big name is currently up for sale
Sahin is worth a sniff. Fringe player at Real who was Bundesliga player of year the season of 10/11 and would compliment beautifully.
NipHolmes said:Manchester_City_Blue said:Everyone else is buying to catch up with us IMO. We've led the way with signing over recent years and now all we need is a few to strengthen the squad. Whereas all of the others are signing players they desperately need for their first team.
I sake my head in disbelief at this comment.
Take a look at Serie A,
1 Juventus (C) 84pts
2 Milan 80pts
3 Udinese 64pts
4 Lazio 62pts
Juventus won the league, unbeaten and their nearest rivals sold their treasure in Zlatan and Silva. Do they rest on their laurels? No they do not. They have a team that beats all their rivals and is likely to dominate domestically yet they strengthen.
Now we win the league on the final day by GD, our arch-rivals strengthen whom equalled us pts wise and we stand still? How is that right? We need to punish United and make sure they don't win this season and we give ourselves the best chance to do that by strengthening in our weak areas which are likely to be exposed again due to the ACON being brought forward to this season.
In place of?Stoned Rose said:Sahin smells good to me. Even if only on loan.
grim up north said:NipHolmes said:LongsightM13 said:No, I recognise as much as anybody the areas which require strengthening. But we have money, and it is two weeks until the end of the window. Would rather we tried to get the right deals for the right players than just buy the first passing centre half who is better than Savic, for whatever price his current club demands.
At which point did I say we must sign a player asap and at risk? I never once made a statement like that. We need to sign creme of the crop always from here on in and that is why transfers will be difficult.
No offense but you're preaching to the converted.
My whole point is that 'the flappers' have a point as long as they are sensible in approach. No point signing a.n.ybody just to appease, but WE DO NEED to sign quality individuals that boost our team and squad strength. Areas already pointed out.
I just detest the stand still mentality, no successful club does this. They build year on year. Just like Mancini said and just like any manager will say, you gather and build and you always look for improvement. That way you reach the top, which is where I want City. Not just champs of the league but also the kings of Europe.
WAR!!!
-- Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:02 pm --
grim up north said:And which big name is currently up for sale
Sahin is worth a sniff. Fringe player at Real who was Bundesliga player of year the season of 10/11 and would compliment beautifully.
In your opinion. All I am saying the players Mancini wants might not be available for a price we are prepared to pay.
pudge said:How do you know the club is "standing still"?
GaudinoMotors said:NipHolmes said:Manchester_City_Blue said:Everyone else is buying to catch up with us IMO. We've led the way with signing over recent years and now all we need is a few to strengthen the squad. Whereas all of the others are signing players they desperately need for their first team.
I sake my head in disbelief at this comment.
Take a look at Serie A,
1 Juventus (C) 84pts
2 Milan 80pts
3 Udinese 64pts
4 Lazio 62pts
Juventus won the league, unbeaten and their nearest rivals sold their treasure in Zlatan and Silva. Do they rest on their laurels? No they do not. They have a team that beats all their rivals and is likely to dominate domestically yet they strengthen.
Now we win the league on the final day by GD, our arch-rivals strengthen whom equalled us pts wise and we stand still? How is that right? We need to punish United and make sure they don't win this season and we give ourselves the best chance to do that by strengthening in our weak areas which are likely to be exposed again due to the ACON being brought forward to this season.
Wasting your breath!
What happens is that when the season ends everyone says one or two good signings and we'll push on again, even challenge for the Champs league. After a few weeks and some initial knock backs, suddenly we don't really need to improve anywhere, but still the ITKs are followed like sages before eventually being forced to take up new identities under the ITK protection scheme, as it transpires they actually knew f*ck all. Next comes the ridicule stage where all the targets on Mike Yarwood's shopping list go to rival clubs - overnight the player becomes a geriatric paraplegic or a greedy parasite that we don't want in our sunday school squad. Finally comes the denial stage where anyone who still remains from the first stage ie. actually wanting to see the squad improve, is labelled a spoilt flapper - don't worry you are in good company - I think Mancini is deluded enough to still be in this group.
NipHolmes said:grim up north said:NipHolmes said:At which point did I say we must sign a player asap and at risk? I never once made a statement like that. We need to sign creme of the crop always from here on in and that is why transfers will be difficult.
No offense but you're preaching to the converted.
My whole point is that 'the flappers' have a point as long as they are sensible in approach. No point signing a.n.ybody just to appease, but WE DO NEED to sign quality individuals that boost our team and squad strength. Areas already pointed out.
I just detest the stand still mentality, no successful club does this. They build year on year. Just like Mancini said and just like any manager will say, you gather and build and you always look for improvement. That way you reach the top, which is where I want City. Not just champs of the league but also the kings of Europe.
WAR!!!
-- Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:02 pm --
Sahin is worth a sniff. Fringe player at Real who was Bundesliga player of year the season of 10/11 and would compliment beautifully.
In your opinion. All I am saying the players Mancini wants might not be available for a price we are prepared to pay.
The fact we utilised Pizarro last season and the fact that Sahin is more mobile, younger and getable for less than £20mill is enough reason. Of course imo but I am basing on last season.
The players Mancini wants are clear, Agger and De Rossi. Just so happens both play for clubs they love and are happy there. Sahin is different, much different to De Rossi but he still adds to us, hugely imo. Not only could you put alongside Yaya but he could also cover too. Just add Barry/De Jong behind him.
Stoned Rose said:Sahin smells good to me. Even if only on loan.
grim up north said:NipHolmes said:grim up north said:In your opinion. All I am saying the players Mancini wants might not be available for a price we are prepared to pay.
The fact we utilised Pizarro last season and the fact that Sahin is more mobile, younger and getable for less than £20mill is enough reason. Of course imo but I am basing on last season.
The players Mancini wants are clear, Agger and De Rossi. Just so happens both play for clubs they love and are happy there. Sahin is different, much different to De Rossi but he still adds to us, hugely imo. Not only could you put alongside Yaya but he could also cover too. Just add Barry/De Jong behind him.
We all assume that Agger and De Rossi are the players wanted. We can assume that Mancini doesn't want Sahin
NipHolmes said:grim up north said:NipHolmes said:At which point did I say we must sign a player asap and at risk? I never once made a statement like that. We need to sign creme of the crop always from here on in and that is why transfers will be difficult.
No offense but you're preaching to the converted.
My whole point is that 'the flappers' have a point as long as they are sensible in approach. No point signing a.n.ybody just to appease, but WE DO NEED to sign quality individuals that boost our team and squad strength. Areas already pointed out.
I just detest the stand still mentality, no successful club does this. They build year on year. Just like Mancini said and just like any manager will say, you gather and build and you always look for improvement. That way you reach the top, which is where I want City. Not just champs of the league but also the kings of Europe.
WAR!!!
-- Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:02 pm --
Sahin is worth a sniff. Fringe player at Real who was Bundesliga player of year the season of 10/11 and would compliment beautifully.
In your opinion. All I am saying the players Mancini wants might not be available for a price we are prepared to pay.
The fact we utilised Pizarro last season and the fact that Sahin is more mobile, younger and getable for less than £20mill is enough reason. Of course imo but I am basing on last season.
The players Mancini wants are clear, Agger and De Rossi. Just so happens both play for clubs they love and are happy there. Sahin is different, much different to De Rossi but he still adds to us, hugely imo. Not only could you put alongside Yaya but he could also cover too. Just add Barry/De Jong behind him.
-- Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:15 pm --
pudge said:How do you know the club is "standing still"?
Nobody has said that.
I said the mentality of being happy with what you have is a bad one. I have proven my point with evidence of activity of other successful teams.
-- Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:16 pm --
GaudinoMotors said:NipHolmes said:I sake my head in disbelief at this comment.
Take a look at Serie A,
1 Juventus (C) 84pts
2 Milan 80pts
3 Udinese 64pts
4 Lazio 62pts
Juventus won the league, unbeaten and their nearest rivals sold their treasure in Zlatan and Silva. Do they rest on their laurels? No they do not. They have a team that beats all their rivals and is likely to dominate domestically yet they strengthen.
Now we win the league on the final day by GD, our arch-rivals strengthen whom equalled us pts wise and we stand still? How is that right? We need to punish United and make sure they don't win this season and we give ourselves the best chance to do that by strengthening in our weak areas which are likely to be exposed again due to the ACON being brought forward to this season.
Wasting your breath!
What happens is that when the season ends everyone says one or two good signings and we'll push on again, even challenge for the Champs league. After a few weeks and some initial knock backs, suddenly we don't really need to improve anywhere, but still the ITKs are followed like sages before eventually being forced to take up new identities under the ITK protection scheme, as it transpires they actually knew f*ck all. Next comes the ridicule stage where all the targets on Mike Yarwood's shopping list go to rival clubs - overnight the player becomes a geriatric paraplegic or a greedy parasite that we don't want in our sunday school squad. Finally comes the denial stage where anyone who still remains from the first stage ie. actually wanting to see the squad improve, is labelled a spoilt flapper - don't worry you are in good company - I think Mancini is deluded enough to still be in this group.
Cheers fella, and with that I cease to speak anymore about this.