It's Quiet 17 - Glory Thread

decmancity said:
You aren't going to find anyone who has the quality to play for us who is at best going to be 5th choice CB. We have just signed a very talented LB in Gomez. Rico Lewis is young but has already won plenty of attention from Pep.

Those moaning about the small squad and how it will come back to haunt us seem desperate for to be the case so they can be right at the end of the season.
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Not at all. The reason people like myself worry about a small squad is that we have evidence of it biting us on the arse in at least the last 2 seasons where we have gone deep into 3-4 competitions and then fallen towards the end of two of them
 
freshie said:
Not at all. The reason people like myself worry about a small squad is that we have evidence of it biting us on the arse in at least the last 2 seasons where we have gone deep into 3-4 competitions and then fallen towards the end of two of them
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It is impossible to have a big squad filled with the quality that people are expecting though. Would it make you feel better if we go and sign Phil Jagielka to sit in the stands in case one of the 4 senior CB's we have get injured?


In those competitions we were hardly playing 18yr olds because we had no senior backup. The players that played on that day just didn't perform. It happens sometimes and in cup competitions there is no way to recover. I think our management have proven their strategy is correct in the past 5 yrs simply because of the titles, semi finals and finals we have achieved. Several clubs around Europe have massive squads and have achieved nothing, so what is the best option?

I don't really understand what people think we are lacking. We have three senior keepers, four center backs, 2 left backs, 2 right backs, several midfielders and attackers and two strikers. 99% of our squad could probably play in any position on the pitch.
Never mind several youth talents desperate for game time and us as fans are desperate to see them given a chance.
 
decmancity said:
Injuries happen to every squad. Every season. It's part of the game. Pep has spoken at length as to why huge squads are an issue, you end up with pissed off players and if they are pissed off they are not going to be putting in the performances.

You aren't going to find any players who are going to sign knowing full well that he's behind several other options who have been here several years and already have the trust of Pep.

What top class left back is out there. Never mind that signing one would piss off Cancelo and Gomez who has no doubt been promised some game time.
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Your first paragraph was emphatically proven wrong by Gundo in the season finale v. Villa. He freely admitted afterwards that he was hoppin' mad about starting on the bench yet he responded with a title saving performance. Bernardo stepped in yesterday after not starting in the first 2 league games and responded with a goal and an assist. You can't make generic statements based on your own beliefs and expect them to be accepted as fact.

Your second paragraph is even less factual. Cancelo signed on knowing Walker was here and established. Phillips just did the same relative to Rodri. Grealish signed when Sterling and Gabby were still here and well established to go along with Mahrez and Foden. Your theory here may have some validity with some players, but I wouldn't want to sign a player not willing to back his own chances anyway. A guy with that mentality would not make it here.

Its a fact that we are a bit light in numbers relative to other big squads. Whether that winds up costing us or not remains to be seen, but your reasons for maintaining a smaller squad are unfounded. Just sayin'.
 
decmancity said:
4 top quality CBs is enough for any squad. Injuries are part of the game. If we lose Dias or Stones then maybe we have to play Mbete, Rodri or Walker and make do with it until they are back. What CB is going to come when they know there are already 4 senior CBs here.
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One like Kounde who can play outside just as well. Its one thing, for example, to play with "cover", but its an entirely different thing to play without any real competition for your job as is the case currently for both Walker and Cancelo. And that is not a good thing no matter how its spun.
 
We are not going to do another business, barring an emergency situation.

Our CB situation is still manageable, no need to bring another CB just because we have to. Wasting money while it can be used elsewhere in next summer.
 
JewelZee said:
Your first paragraph was emphatically proven wrong by Gundo in the season finale v. Villa. He freely admitted afterwards that he was hoppin' mad about starting on the bench yet he responded with a title saving performance. Bernardo stepped in yesterday after not starting in the first 2 league games and responded with a goal and an assist. You can't make generic statements based on your own beliefs and expect them to be accepted as fact.

Your second paragraph is even less factual. Cancelo signed on knowing Walker was here and established. Phillips just did the same relative to Rodri. Grealish signed when Sterling and Gabby were still here and well established to go along with Mahrez and Foden. Your theory here may have some validity with some players, but I wouldn't want to sign a player not willing to back his own chances anyway. A guy with that mentality would not make it here.

Its a fact that we are a bit light in numbers relative to other big squads. Whether that winds up costing us or not remains to be seen, but your reasons for maintaining a smaller squad are unfounded. Just sayin'.
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I hardly think Gundogan and Bernardo are the best examples. Both of which are trusted by Pep and play a ton of games. Both are also capable of playing in several positions so are likely to find game time throughout the season.

If you are a CB then it becomes 10x harder to get in the team because you are in a specialized position and it will take an injury crisis to get in the team and stay there.

Rodri and Grealish did join the squad knowing they had competition but Phillips realistically has one person to compete with in Rodri and Grealish whilst he is fighting for game time with Foden, Mahrez and Bernardo for a position, is playing on the wing and there is more to go around there.

I agree we aren't going to sign someone who doesn't back themselves for obvious reasons but I bet you will struggle to find a CB in world football who would back themselves to beat out Stones, Dias, Laporte and Ake.

Ask a RW for example if they fancy battling Mahrez and the answer is completely different.

Anyway, its all a moot argument. We aren't signing anyone else unless someone leaves and CB will be bottom of the pile for a while I reckon.
 


Would be a good signing for them. Was hoping we’d follow up our interest from when he was at Sporting.

I’m sure it was rumoured to be fully done when he a youth team player wasn’t it? Before AC. Obviously the Portuguese media are known for jumping the gun, though.
 
decmancity said:
I hardly think Gundogan and Bernardo are the best examples. Both of which are trusted by Pep and play a ton of games. Both are also capable of playing in several positions so are likely to find game time throughout the season.

If you are a CB then it becomes 10x harder to get in the team because you are in a specialized position and it will take an injury crisis to get in the team and stay there.

Rodri and Grealish did join the squad knowing they had competition but Phillips realistically has one person to compete with in Rodri and Grealish whilst he is fighting for game time with Foden, Mahrez and Bernardo for a position, is playing on the wing and there is more to go around there.

I agree we aren't going to sign someone who doesn't back themselves for obvious reasons but I bet you will struggle to find a CB in world football who would back themselves to beat out Stones, Dias, Laporte and Ake.

Ask a RW for example if they fancy battling Mahrez and the answer is completely different.

Anyway, its all a moot argument. We aren't signing anyone else unless someone leaves and CB will be bottom of the pile for a while I reckon.
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A player like Kounde would be ideal because he could also compete directly for either outside back position while providing extra cover for our injury prone CBs. By chance or bad luck we always seem to have at least one of our 4 CBs out injured and many times, 2.
 
I think we need to sign another full back.

Sundays game I thought that Kyle Walker might have been playing through the pain barrier as he seemed to be struggling to get up to speed. If he is injured or struggling that leaves us with Cancelo and a completely unproven Gomes as our full backs.

I, wrongly assumed, that Pep was hoping to have a combo of 4 full backs this season, 2 left and 2 right but with the option of an overlapping and inverted fullback on both sides. So basically exactly what we have now but with Zinchenko still there.

I think only have 3 senior full backs with 1 unproven leaves us short. Unfortunately our CB injuries now means we don’t have the luxury of using Ake or Stones should we need to.

The set up of our squad this year heavily relies on us having a good season injury wise I think.
 
rice10 said:
I think we need to sign another full back.

Sundays game I thought that Kyle Walker might have been playing through the pain barrier as he seemed to be struggling to get up to speed. If he is injured or struggling that leaves us with Cancelo and a completely unproven Gomes as our full backs.

I, wrongly assumed, that Pep was hoping to have a combo of 4 full backs this season, 2 left and 2 right but with the option of an overlapping and inverted fullback on both sides. So basically exactly what we have now but with Zinchenko still there.

I think only have 3 senior full backs with 1 unproven leaves us short. Unfortunately our CB injuries now means we don’t have the luxury of using Ake or Stones should we need to.

The set up of our squad this year heavily relies on us having a good season injury wise I think.
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well the rumour always was that City would get a senior left back even if they signed Gomez but that seems to have all gone quiet which seems strange and could be a bad decision by Txiki and the board imo.
 
rice10 said:
The set up of our squad this year heavily relies on us having a good season injury wise I think.
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Something that has never happened in living memory. Last season we went into the run-in with an ageing Fernandinho playing at centre half. Already this season, Laporte hasn't played a game, Phillips and Palmer were injured before a ball was kicked and now Ake and Grealish are injured. All before we move into the 2 games a week period.

Pep's a genius and pulled it out of the bag last year so, hopefully, he can do it again.
 
Newman Noggs said:
Something that has never happened in living memory. Last season we went into the run-in with an ageing Fernandinho playing at centre half. Already this season, Laporte hasn't played a game, Phillips and Palmer were injured before a ball was kicked and now Ake and Grealish are injured. All before we move into the 2 games a week period.

Pep's a genius and pulled it out of the bag last year so, hopefully, he can do it again.
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i wonder if he`s getting a bit fed up of having to pull it out of the bag though? When asked last week he was asked were we done in the transfer market and he answered apparently yes? He didnt look happy about it either but it was a strange way to answer the question as if he was happy with the squad he would normally come out and say he was, outstanding this and that?
 
rice10 said:
I think we need to sign another full back.

Sundays game I thought that Kyle Walker might have been playing through the pain barrier as he seemed to be struggling to get up to speed. If he is injured or struggling that leaves us with Cancelo and a completely unproven Gomes as our full backs.

I, wrongly assumed, that Pep was hoping to have a combo of 4 full backs this season, 2 left and 2 right but with the option of an overlapping and inverted fullback on both sides. So basically exactly what we have now but with Zinchenko still there.

I think only have 3 senior full backs with 1 unproven leaves us short. Unfortunately our CB injuries now means we don’t have the luxury of using Ake or Stones should we need to.

The set up of our squad this year heavily relies on us having a good season injury wise I think.
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Your assuming that because Gomez may not have been the first choice or might not have been the most experienced option that he is not a senior player or cannot be trusted. The experts chose him over lots of other options. Why now spend money on those lesser options in order to some how replace him and his lack of experience but with inferior ability or at least ability to do what we want to do ?
 
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JewelZee said:
A player like Kounde would be ideal because he could also compete directly for either outside back position while providing extra cover for our injury prone CBs. By chance or bad luck we always seem to have at least one of our 4 CBs out injured and many times, 2.
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Well he's signed for Barca lol but I see your point. I agree that it seems that we have injury prone CBs but if that's the case then we should have sold them and replaced. You can't go and buy two more CBs just in case Ake or Stones get injured. Having 6 senior CBs is outrageous.

We have 4 senior, Mbete and in Rodri and Phillips another two of capable of doing a job I am sure.
 
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