It's Quiet 18 - Wanna ring the bell?

[Protein Junkie]

Would love to see McAtee come through and get many minutes with the team this year. The guy is quality but not a shiny new toy.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Agreed. But don’t you think McAtee will essentially take Perrone’s spot?

perrones didn’t play at all. Mcatee will be getting proper first team minutes in my opinion.

I reckon palmer might be going on loan and James replacing him

 

[BrazilianGus]

Would love to see McAtee come through and get many minutes with the team this year. The guy is quality but not a shiny new toy.

What does it mean that he isn’t a “shiny new toy”? It’s funny to me because the real fetish in the forum isn’t really for new signings but for Academy kids. Is it to rub in the rags’ face or something? Who knows. McAtee, if he does stay beyond preseason, will get those domestic cup minutes we all know. “He is quality”, maybe but he is completely unproven in any level that matters to us

 

[RayCTID]

It's not a fetish but seeing we have a successful (and expensive) Academy and rather than keep cashing in on talent it would be good to start utilising them more in the first team and waste money on signings that won't significantly improve us.

 

[Del_Bosque]

2-3 academy lads in the squad is plenty

We’ve won 5 in 6 league titles by being able to rely on top level experience, not time to start experimenting and moving away from that

 

[RayCTID]

2-3 academy lads in the squad is plenty

We’ve won 5 in 6 league titles by being able to rely on top level experience, not time to start experimenting and moving away from that

But the key is signing the correct players in. It's no good bringing in shiny expensive players who aren't any better than the EDS lads. The same could be said about the EDS players to some extent too.

 

[Silva2021]

I think for all the talk of using the academy more, I don’t look at too many of the ones who have gone through it and think we could do with them.

Some very good players, but Foden’s the gem (Lewis is jury out, seems decent and high hopes for McAtee).

In the whole the sales have covered the cost of various signings in.

Let them crack on, working as it should for me.

 

[BrazilianGus]

It's not a fetish but seeing we have a successful (and expensive) Academy and rather than keep cashing in on talent it would be good to start utilising them more in the first team and waste money on signings that won't significantly improve us.

Pep has specifically talked about the issue in the past of how the Academy kids come out unproven as opposed to the “Barcelona B” model he suggested for England, to much criticism.
To look at the Academy as a feeder of the first team is a mistake, absolute false “common sense”. The truth is the majority just aren’t good enough for our standard as proven by what happens when they leave. People here want kids in the first team that leave and are underwhelming in the Championship. The reality is they are in fact there to provide money to the club, as is the case with every club. When exactly do we waste money on signings that don’t improve us instead of using the Academy products? I will grant you one example. We’d have been better off having kept Lavia instead of buying Phillips. But even that takes requires knowing how his last season away went to know. To compete at the place we aim, it is through carefully scouted signings that we improve and win, simple as that. There is a level to be maintained that doesn’t allow for concessions to advertise the Academy in detriment of trophies. If it were up to this forum, last year we would have sold Ake to Chelsea and replaced him with Mbete (and of course never signed Akanji). And won fuck all

 

[RayCTID]

Pep has specifically talked about the issue in the past of how the Academy kids come out unproven as opposed to the “Barcelona B” model he suggested for England, to much criticism.
To look at the Academy as a feeder of the first team is a mistake, absolute false “common sense”. The truth is the majority just aren’t good enough for our standard as proven by what happens when they leave. People here want kids in the first team that leave and are underwhelming in the Championship. The reality is they are in fact there to provide money to the club, as is the case with every club. When exactly do we waste money on signings that don’t improve us instead of using the Academy products? I will grant you one example. We’d have been better off having kept Lavia instead of buying Phillips. But even that takes requires knowing how his last season away went to know. To compete at the place we aim, it is through carefully scouted signings that we improve and win, simple as that. There is a level to be maintained that doesn’t allow for concessions to advertise the Academy in detriment of trophies. If it were up to this forum, last year we would have sold Ake to Chelsea and replaced him with Mbete (and of course never signed Akanji). And won fuck all

To counter that Lavia is wanted by our direct rivals. Not some middle tier Premier League clubs or Championship teams. Brahim Diaz is now back with Real Madrid first team after a successful loan spell at AC Milan. Rico Lewis is looking settled and ready to kick on. James Trafford is a tad unfortunate that we have two better keepers (although he looks capable providing good back up more game time is better).

 

[BrazilianGus]

But the key is signing the correct players in. It's no good bringing in shiny expensive players who aren't any better than the EDS lads. The same could be said about the EDS players to some extent too.

The use of “shiny” is ridiculous, it implies we sign as an extravagance. We sign the players we need. The point you’re making that we sign players who aren’t better than the EDS kids or that don’t improve us has no foot in reality. Furthermore, you can’t argue an Academy kid is “better than” if they haven’t been extensively tested in a competitive level in which we operate. You can’t claim that by looking at how they look against PL2 or Championship sides