It's Quiet the £250m return

xMatMcC said:
Right on cue... lol. Not even a day later and leaks start popping up that Slot wants him. Funny he's a target for Liverpool, but he's supposedly not City level. Liverpool are currently title favorites btw. Oh, and they have Florian Wirtz and Sozbo at 10 already... you just don't pass up on this level of talent.

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Like I mentioned yesterday. Would surprise me if we weren't sniffing around despite not having an obvious role for him at the moment. Ceiling on this lad makes it a no brainer. I reckon he'd play his way intp our best XI for every match of the run-in this season. Just so effective.
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Yes, you're right because Indiekalia screenshot
 
TonyColemansbagofapples said:
Agree, Rogers nowhere near our standard.
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No need for me to argue this. Only time can answer that. But I'm quite confident you will see.
alexmcity said:
Disagreements are perfectly normal. You may be right about Rogers, but it's far from obvious he would be a starter for us if given the chance. Actually, it's a highly controversial take. No wonder some are pushing against. Where would Rogers fit and at whose expense?
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I didn't say Rogers would be a starter for us. All I said was that if he was available, we would be in the conversation to sign him... repeated this a few times now. English. PL young POTS. Perfect profile that Pep targets, City past, etc etc. Sky is the limit for him. Not saying he will walk into the team. He'll have to keep growing.
oldius said:
I agreed with you that players grow. And I agree that the players you mention were not good enough in 22/23. Morgan Rogers has grown way beyond what anyone imagined. He had a great season, sure, but I don't think he is at our level yet. I could be wrong, so let's see how he develops.

Olise is simply not as good as Mahrez, so we disagree there. He is talented, of course. We have a front line of Haaland, Foden, Cherki, Bobb, Savinho, and Doku. I am happy with that...very.

If you do not allow Doku and Savinho to grow, as you indicate players do, and you replace them with the players you identify (and I don't think they are as good as you do) then you also defeat the premise of your point, which was, I think, that we have allowed stars to leave. I don't think we have lost anyone of the quality of the players we had in the team mentioned, nor anyone with the potential of Cherki, Bobb, et al.

We can disagree without 'lols' too. It is a rather childish retort. I see nobody, Palmer apart (and he hasn't scored a goal in open play for many games), who is now a world star. We could argue about Olise, of course, but as he was also with Arsenal and Reading, etc, it seems we would have had to hold on to him for an awfully long time to get to the required level.
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Good response. I can see why people disagree with the Mahrez vs Olise comment. But the truth is, most City fans gave Mahrez a lot of stick. For years. It was one of those situations where we didn't know what we had until he was gone. I would argue that if we had Olise at RW right now, this would not be a discussion. We would have a sure-fire top 3 RW of the future. With Yamal and Saka, Olise is the clear third fiddle in terms of talent and age. I know we're interested in Olise, but so are Liverpool as they see him as the heir to Salah. We will be in the race for him next summer. I believe he has a release clause and may want to come back to England. Seen some reports recently.

Regarding the hypocrisy, I'm high on Doku, and also Savinho to a slightly lesser extent. My point was not that we let them go to early, it was that players grow and change after leaving. I was responding to someone that said we know what Rogers is all about because we've had him in the past, and therefore determined he wasn't up to par. I just disagree with that because of course they grow.

The lols were because people keep misinterpreting my point and it was funny. The same has happened here in your post. Maybe I need to be more clear.
 
Matt.D said:
Yea but by the same token 99% of our fan base have convinced themselves Oscar Bobb is THAT guy. He may well be. He has the potential to be. Super talented. But it’s also on the basis of a goal v Newcastle, one pre season and a good performance last weekend. If he goes on to perform the way he did last week all season , then going into next season he will also be 23 and had one good season. I doubt many on here will be saying we are being too quick to build him up.

Morgan Rogers was outstanding last season. He was one of the best players in the league. . Cole Palmer has been easily top 3 players in this league since he left City even taking into account his drop off last season. He’s stepped up in big moments in 2 cup finals for them. He stepped up for England in a major final and did more in a 20 minute cameo when everyone else bottled.

I think Oscar Bobb has potential to get to palmers level even if not in terms of goals and assists but on impact on games. Point I’m making is I think lots of fans quick to try to play down players who have either left City or wear another clubs shirt and say they’re over hyped whilst hyping up our players some of who right now have achieved less.
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People have gone to jail for less offensive posts .
 
xMatMcC said:
I agree. They weren't good enough in 22/23. They were kids. Nobody is saying they were! But Olise is already performing at a higher level than Mahrez ever has. My point is players can leave and flourish/grow. This lad I'm replying to stated we wouldn't be interested in Morgan Rogers because we've seen him before. He is nowhere near the same player. That is my point.
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That’d be the treble winning Mahrez that won multiple PLs inc at Leicester. Won trophies galore as well as other achievements like being the first player in over 60 years to score a ht trick in an FA Cup semi final.

But no, you’re right.. Michael Olise, I see it now.
 
xMatMcC said:
No need for me to argue this. Only time can answer that. But I'm quite confident you will see.

I didn't say Rogers would be a starter for us. All I said was that if he was available, we would be in the conversation to sign him... repeated this a few times now. English. PL young POTS. Perfect profile that Pep targets, City past, etc etc. Sky is the limit for him. Not saying he will walk into the team. He'll have to keep growing.

Good response. I can see why people disagree with the Mahrez vs Olise comment. But the truth is, most City fans gave Mahrez a lot of stick. For years. It was one of those situations where we didn't know what we had until he was gone. I would argue that if we had Olise at RW right now, this would not be a discussion. We would have a sure-fire top 3 RW of the future. With Yamal and Saka, Olise is the clear third fiddle in terms of talent and age. I know we're interested in Olise, but so are Liverpool as they see him as the heir to Salah. We will be in the race for him next summer. I believe he has a release clause and may want to come back to England. Seen some reports recently.

Regarding the hypocrisy, I'm high on Doku, and also Savinho to a slightly lesser extent. My point was not that we let them go to early, it was that players grow and change after leaving. I was responding to someone that said we know what Rogers is all about because we've had him in the past, and therefore determined he wasn't up to par. I just disagree with that because of course they grow.

The lols were because people keep misinterpreting my point and it was funny. The same has happened here in your post. Maybe I need to be more clear.
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No, you have been clear, and I have agreed that players grow. I just disagree about the level of the players you highlight, so I'm not sure you have fully read what I have said.
 
Simon Bajkowski reckons if those surplus to requirements refuse to leave, City will register our main squad in the CL, & register the rest for the PL only where we have more headroom, but with the caveat they'll have massively reduced game time.

Looks like those forthright conversations need stepping up a notch or three...
 
bell_mcfc said:
Tolm's clues are normally not as complicated as some make out. As much as I love the idea I think it simply means the Savio deal is still being talked about and likely to happen.
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Tolmie said Ederson had gone 10 days ago. Wouldn't be surprised if he starts tomorrow. Used to love reading his tweets/posts but hasn't called a single thing for at least 18months. That's not a criticism either, not a single ITK exists now imo. Romano is about the best it gets.
 
xMatMcC said:
I agree. They weren't good enough in 22/23. They were kids. Nobody is saying they were! But Olise is already performing at a higher level than Mahrez ever has. My point is players can leave and flourish/grow. This lad I'm replying to stated we wouldn't be interested in Morgan Rogers because we've seen him before. He is nowhere near the same player. That is my point.
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Olise is nowhere near the levels that Mahrez achieved. Totally disrespectful
 
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