It's Quiet the £250m return

[blueparrot]

Still think alot of our problems is down to the wingers.

They are just not good enough at passing the ball accurately to another player in the box.
The ball is either played into open space,played behind attacker or not beating the first defender.

It’s wasteful not productive and allows the opponent to counter.

Doku and savio would need to improve significantly.

Don't think they are our starting wide players when the season starts,they will be squad players andbe given time to develop.

 

[Gaz (FMwkdsoul)]

Still think alot of our problems is down to the wingers.

They are just not good enough at passing the ball accurately to another player in the box.
The ball is either played into open space,played behind attacker or not beating the first defender.

It’s wasteful not productive and allows the opponent to counter.

Doku and savio would need to improve significantly.

think'll they both be the backups.

Omar/Cherki will be starting imo

 

[Semper aggressus]

Dippers going BIG this summer unfortunately, we really let things slip badly didnt we?

Last summer we did, which the club admitted. We haven’t repeated that mistake though, going early for Reijnders, Cherki and Ait-Nouri is superb business!

I love star names and always want us to blow rivals away with transfers regardless of cost, but I honestly think those three signings have improved us more than Wirtz would have done and more than he’ll improve Liverpool.

I don’t think Frimpong is particularly special, certainly not as good an attacking full back as Ait-Nouri.

If we can get a proper right back, or at least play anybody there apart from Lewis, then we’ll win the league. Provided we don’t have the injuries we had last season. Strange how no key Liverpool players are ever injured.

 

[Gabriel]

Salah ain't repeating last season (47 goals/assists in the league). He isn't as quick as he used to be and can't work hard in defence. Van Dyke isn't what he used to be either. Their defence is nowhere near as good as it was 5-6 years ago. Their new signings are likely to need time to settle, especially Frimpong who by all accounts isn't the best defender around...

The firm starters for us at the CWC, 5-6 players, are not going to play more than 5 full games even if we reach the final. Plus some of them were injured in the spring, so it's not like they have played too much football.

I predict problems for us in the 1st half of the season, but the 2nd half is likely to be business as usual.

As I said, until we see the make up of our final squad, I would be far more cautious. The mistakes of the previous two summers cannot be rectified in one, and we might still find ourselves stuck with players we'd rather replace but we simply cannot until next summer.

Liverpool coasted to the title last season and have had their shorts and flipflops on for months. They had the luxury of easing to their title win, knowing that it's all energy saved, both physical and mental, for the next campaign. It's not necessarily the actual game time of the CWC that's our problem, it's the fact that there's no mental respite, and some of our guys have been playing almost without a serious break for far too long.

 

[alexmcity]

Still think alot of our problems is down to the wingers.

I very much doubt that. Some of our problems come from letting the wingers do a lot of work instead of finding them in free spaces. We want from Doku to beat several defenders and then deliver precise crosses. That's hard as in order to do the first he has to be very quick which makes the 2nd very difficult. Let him and Savinho play more often 1 vs 1 and they'll be a lot more productive.

 

[richards30]

Last summer we did, which the club admitted. We haven’t repeated that mistake though, going early for Reijnders, Cherki and Ait-Nouri is superb business!

I love star names and always want us to blow rivals away with transfers regardless of cost, but I honestly think those three signings have improved us more than Wirtz would have done and more than he’ll improve Liverpool.

I don’t think Frimpong is particularly special, certainly not as good an attacking full back as Ait-Nouri.

If we can get a proper right back, or at least play anybody there apart from Lewis, then we’ll win the league. Provided we don’t have the injuries we had last season. Strange how no key Liverpool players are ever injured.

Hopefully Pep 2 can bring the special drink that Klipperty mentioned ;-) We do defo need a RB though!

 

[alexmcity]

As I said, until we see the make up of our final squad, I would be far more cautious. The mistakes of the previous two summers cannot be rectified in one, and we might still find ourselves stuck with players we'd rather replace but we simply cannot until next summer.

Liverpool coasted to the title last season and have had their shorts and flipflops on for months. They had the luxury of easing to their title win, knowing that it's all energy saved, both physical and mental, for the next campaign. It's not necessarily the actual game time of the CWC that's our problem, it's the fact that there's no mental respite, and some of our guys have been playing almost without a serious break for far too long.

Liverpool finished the same way in Klopp's last season when they were desperate to win the title. So, we don't know that they finished badly only because they were mentally on the beach.

A huge part of our performances last season was a combination of not having Rodri (more important than any of the legends and the only City player to be voted the best in non-domestic tournamens like CL, Euros, etc.), too many injuries, having several aging players plus Foden falling off a cliff.

 

[Gabriel]

Still think alot of our problems is down to the wingers.

They are just not good enough at passing the ball accurately to another player in the box.
The ball is either played into open space,played behind attacker or not beating the first defender.

It’s wasteful not productive and allows the opponent to counter.

Doku and savio would need to improve significantly.

Part of our problem is that we moved quite quickly to a very young attack, which meant there was precious little understanding across the front. Even though we won the League, the 23-24 campaign saw us squander chance after chance because Haaland, Doku, and Foden regularly gave the ball away when we had numerical advantages. One of the reasons Gundogan was presumably brought back was to bring a little more composure in the final third, but the loss of Rodri saw Gundogan given different roles. That same lack of cohesion persisted last season, however.

I thought it was interesting that Savinho was given a run out on the left this week, which at least showed different thinking, and they're all a year older, but we need to see much more consistency from all of them if they're to develop understandings. They're all good players but not yet an attacking unit.

 

[blueparrot]

Liverpool finished the same way in Klopp's last season when they were desperate to win the title. So, we don't know that they finished badly only because they were mentally on the beach.

A huge part of our performances last season was a combination of not having Rodri (more important than any of the legends and the only City player to be voted the best in non-domestic tournamens like CL, Euros, etc.), too many injuries, having several aging players plus Foden falling off a cliff.

Another point should be made we've gone in 2 windows from an experienced aging team to a new much younger squad. Nobody should be expecting us to immediately click and be a treble chasing team. It took a few years building to that while winning cuos and leagues along the way. This new version will take time to build too and while we will challenge and hopefully win things this team won't peak for 2 or 3 years.

 

[TonyM]

What we need mostly is for Pep to put into place a system that results in more scored than any opposition in almost every game.

To do that he needed some extra quality players, a ton of motivation and thousands of better decisions. I hope he is up for it but I honestly don't know if his Achilles' heel is his faith in what has worked in the past.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

As I said, until we see the make up of our final squad, I would be far more cautious. The mistakes of the previous two summers cannot be rectified in one, and we might still find ourselves stuck with players we'd rather replace but we simply cannot until next summer.

Liverpool coasted to the title last season and have had their shorts and flipflops on for months. They had the luxury of easing to their title win, knowing that it's all energy saved, both physical and mental, for the next campaign. It's not necessarily the actual game time of the CWC that's our problem, it's the fact that there's no mental respite, and some of our guys have been playing almost without a serious break for far too long.

The part about saving energy for next season is a complete pile of shit. They have all summer for that.

 

[Gabriel]

Liverpool finished the same way in Klopp's last season when they were desperate to win the title. So, we don't know that they finished badly only because they were mentally on the beach.

A huge part of our performances last season was a combination of not having Rodri (more important than any of the legends and the only City player to be voted the best in non-domestic tournamens like CL, Euros, etc.), too many injuries, having several aging players plus Foden falling off a cliff.

Our problems were partly down accident but also partly down to poor planning. Even the most ardent fan can see that Rodri is going to need time, maybe even a full season, to get back to his best, and it will be a miracle if he goes through this season unscathed.

As I say, we'll be improved but so too will be Liverpool. I'd much rather we put our eggs in the League basket next season, but if we end up carrying a 'bigger' squad, one that still has too many older/injury-prone players, then I can see us spreading ourselves thin again.

 

[Gabriel]

The part about saving energy for next season is a complete pile of shit. They have all summer for that.

Players drop off in intensity when they know the job is done, and managers have the luxury of resting and rotating at their leisure. Their summer started in April.

 

[argyle]

Are people on here really waving their white flag for the new season already?

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

The really top players don’t. 100 points.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

Are people on here really waving their white flag for the new season already?

Definitely not me. I think we have bought brilliantly since the January window.
The dippers have replaced a right back who couldn’t defend (Alexander-arsehole) with another who can’t defend. £126m on a midfielder who (and I said this when he was apparently coming to us) I really don’t see that much and a left back who is a younger version of what they already have. Hardly shit yourself stuff from my viewpoint.

 

[Gabriel]

Are people on here really waving their white flag for the new season already?

No, just adding a few flakes of coarse salt to the mortar and pestle of discussion.

 

[alexmcity]

Our problems were partly down accident but also partly down to poor planning. Even the most ardent fan can see that Rodri is going to need time, maybe even a full season, to get back to his best, and it will be a miracle if he goes through this season unscathed.

As I say, we'll be improved but so too will be Liverpool. I'd much rather we put our eggs in the League basket next season, but if we end up carrying a 'bigger' squad, one that still has too many older/injury-prone players, then I can see us spreading ourselves thin again.

Liverpool signing new players doesn't guarantee improvement. They lost an important player for their attack in TAA, the new players will probably need time, and we know form experience that aging stars may decline quickly...

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

Liverpool signing new players doesn't guarantee improvement. They lost an important player for their attack in TAA, the new players will probably need time, and we know form experience that aging stars may decline quickly...

I think van Dijk has already gone. Clear signs of deteriorating since his injury but few will say it.

 

[Gabriel]

Liverpool signing new players doesn't guarantee improvement. They lost an important player for their attack in TAA, the new players will probably need time, and we know form experience that aging stars may decline quickly...

If that applies to Liverpool, then by rights it applies to us, too. Some will come good for them, some won't. The same will be true for us.
I've said repeatedly that our rebuild would take time and that it would be 26-27 before we're in place to compete strongly on both the domestic and European fronts simultaneously. I hope we can win the League next season, but I'd currently put us well placed as opposed to favourites.