It's Quiet thread 14 - 'do one' edition

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Coatigan said:
Surely, that is Good, at least in terms of any chance of messi leaving, however minuscule.

The process to remove him might see him gone before January, but after this window shuts. if they dont get the votes the earliest he can leave is march, meaning a pre-contract in January could be a consideration.

Bartomeu staying also means he has to deal with any financial fallback of messi not leaving for a fee, which then weighs against the more popitical 'being the one that let him go'.
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Great points.

It's just too poltical for a football club all this nonsense. No wonder Pep was burnt out
 
Cobra said:
It can’t be that good when we still need another centre back (after just spending £40 million on one) and arguably another left back.
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Demechelis was old and did a job, Kompany and Otamendi have got old. Mangala as I said didn't work. Stones has issues but is a good player. So we need cover for Laporte and a new right sidd centre back. I don't have any problem with that.
 
domalino said:
I think their issues recruiting defenders at Barcelona is massively overblown.

Txiki's record at Barcelona is this -

Rafa Marquez €5m - Excellent signing.
Gio van Bronkhurst €2m - Excellent signing.

Juliano Beletti - €3m - Decent signing, scored a CL final winning goal.
Sylvinho - €2m - Very good 3rd choice player, won loads.

Zambrotta €14m - Didn't live up to the hype but was sold for €11m after 2 seasons.
Thuram €5m - Maybe overpaid a bit for a 32 year old back up player, but he was a big name and pretty good.

Abidal €15m - Excellent signing, especially after Pep worked some magic on him.
Gabriel Milito €20m - Had a horriffic 2 year long injury just after signing. Can't blame Txiki.

[Pep joins here]

Gerard Pique €5m - Hard to imagine a better CB signing given the price and all he achieved.
Martin Caceres €16m - This was a bad one.
Dani Alves €35m - In Pep's opinion the best RB of all time, one of the most important players in Barca's greatest side.
Henrique €8m - Youth prospect signing that didn't work out.

Maxwell €4m - Good back up to Abidal, sold on for the same price at 32 after 3 good years.
Chygrynskiy €25m - The infamously bad one.

Mascherano €19m - Excellent signing, was CB for several CL wins and 4 or 5 league titles.
Adriano €10m - Good signing, very capable backup during his time at Barca.

Pep carried on with one more before he left in 2012 -

Jordi Alba - €19m - Excellent signing.


The majority of the signings were *very* good ones, with a couple of speculative ones the didn't pan out, and 1 or 2 bad ones. I think the fact Barcelona didn't need to sign a first choice defender after Txiki left until 2016 shows he left them in really good shape with Pique, Puyol, Mascherano.
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Then why do u think we are bad recruiting defenders, Mangala, stones, ? Danilo, ? mendy no wonder sagna ?
 
kun said:
His record at City is less impressive.

Demichelis, £4.5m
Sagna, Free
Mangala, £42m
Otamendi, £28.5m
Stones, £47.5m
Walker, £45m
Danilo, £26.5m
Mendy, £49m
Laporte, £57m
García, Free
Sandler, £2.5m
Angeliño, £6m
Cancelo, £60m
Aké, £40m
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THis seems pretty decent except the disaster Mangala, stones, with question marks of danilo and mendy. I wonder why we are still buying defenders.
 
himalayan_blues said:
THis seems pretty decent except the disaster Mangala, stones, with question marks of danilo and mendy. I wonder why we are still buying defenders.
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Mangala got dealt a bad hand I always thought, Kompany could never get fit and Mangala just couldn't settle.

Stones has not been a disaster, his personal issues and injuries can hardly been blamed on Txiki/Pep also.

Danilo can basically be cancelled out by Cancelo but when he played he actually was not too bad, he kept Walker on his toes and was fine in the cup games when we needed to rest Walker.

Mendy, injuries. Not much more to say. Still time to turn things around.
 
domalino said:
Demichelis was a good signing for £4.5m
Sagna was a good back up and cost 0
Mangala was a disaster we all know that.
Otamendi was pretty good.
Stones started well but disappointed and injuries have ruined his last 2 seasons.
Walker has been very good.
Danilo was a good backup and got sold for a profit.
Mendy - Txiki can't account for 3 years of injuries.
Laporte - Very good.
Garcia - Very good.
Sandler - speuclative youth signing who'll be sold on for a profit.
Angelino - about to be sold for 3x what we paid for him 12 months ago.
Cencelo - Not impressed so far but time will tell.
Aké - Not sure why he's even on the list yet.

Part of the problem with people who like to slate Begiristain is the inability to accept not all signings are supposed to be first choice starters for a decade. Sagna was a good signing. Richards decided to leave, we needed a back up, Sagna on a free was good business. Demichelis was perfectly fine as a 3rd choice, Danilo was a good back up sold for a profit.

Really, only 1 of those defenders was an unmitigated bad signing.
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Why does Mendy get away with ‘due to injuries’ when stones doesn’t ? He was performing well prior to a couple of injuries. Then to compound the issues his personal life got shot to hell.

Without these factors he would be starting for city and for England.

Agreed the performance isn’t and hasn’t been up the standard for some time AND we don’t have the luxury of giving him time to settle back in, if he stays I do hope he improves but he may need a change to kickstart his career.

Nice guy too, we tend to forget how important that is too as fans.
 
blue oli said:
Why does Mendy get away with ‘due to injuries’ when stones doesn’t ? He was performing well prior to a couple of injuries. Then to compound the issues his personal life got shot to hell.

Without these factors he would be starting for city and for England.

Agreed the performance isn’t and hasn’t been up the standard for some time AND we don’t have the luxury of giving him time to settle back in, if he stays I do hope he improves but he may need a change to kickstart his career.

Nice guy too, we tend to forget how important that is too as fans.
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Because Stones had 20 massive high profile fuck ups before the injuries, Mendy just got injured immediately.

Is Stones a nice guy? He cheated on his missus half a dozen times, then moved her and his kid out of their house so he could move the new girl in.
 
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