His abilities as a player have gone into decline and consequently he is seriously over paid.
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It's Quiet thread 14 - 'do one' edition
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The contract thing can be said about any player leaving, whether its Ferran or Koulibaly.
We are not paying him Sanchez salary
Paid 50m for him, was coached by Pep for 4 years therefore his value should go up as he is still 26 years old.
Would you agree that someone on wages of 75k would fetch a larger transfer fee than say, someone on 150k? Do you think a club like West Ham wants to blow up their pay structure on John Stones?
He has been coached by Pep, but he hasn't really taken off has he? Whether that is due to injuries or other things it doesn't really matter. We are not getting 50m for him.
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Would you agree that someone on wages of 75k would fetch a larger transfer fee than say, someone on 150k? Do you think a club like West Ham wants to blow up their pay structure on John Stones?
He has been coached by Pep, but he hasn't really taken off has he? Whether that is due to injuries or other things it doesn't really matter. We are not getting 50m for him.
I think the fact pep has had him for 4 years and stones still has improved and is now getting injuries constantly has pissed pep off and he wants him gone.
I imagine you are right.
I'm wondering what the fuck has happened to him. I never wanted him in the first place but it very much appeared as if he was going to vastly exceed my expectations & imo he hit a period where he was one of the absolute best cbs in Europe, but it seems like he's slept in a hedge ever since. Now he is exactly what I thought he would be before we signed him.
I would still think he could get back to where he was though, which, imo, is better than Garcia will ever be, as a cb, much rather have a fully focused JS. Pep used to big up his personality but doesn't seem to have the same opinion anymore.
He’s had a couple of injuries including one serious one, he has also had a head f*^k of a time in his private life.
He hasn’t been in the right mind set for 18 months - when he is he def can be the partner for Laporte - no questions. However the current question is will he get back to his best
I for one hope he does and quickly
He has the look of someone in Piccadilly Gardens, not a highly paid athlete.Has anyone watched Stones in the last year? He's not at the required level.
simon23
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Neither are good enough now but if you look at their history at the club, Otamendi in 17/18 played at a level Stones can only dream of. In addition, if we look at ROI, Otamendi has provided far more value than Stones.
Sorry but Ota has never played at a decent level ever - he has had better moments/periods of a season where his performances have improved but for me he has been a horror story waiting to happen since day 1 at the club - he is dire
Otamendi is far less an issue.
Earns considerably less than Stones and out of contract next summer.
He can count on a lot more suitors abroad than Stones has in England.
I think we would be foolish to sell Stones this summer. Garcia is not as good at this time and might never be.
If he could stay fit I wouldn't be apposed to a back 3 of Stones, Ake and Laporte especially if we can get Mendy back to his best or get a good left wing back.
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If he could stay fit I wouldn't be apposed to a back 3 of Stones, Ake and Laporte especially if we can get Mendy back to his best or get a good left wing back.
Back 3 would be such a waste of our attacking talent. 1 extra CB means 1 less forward/attacking midfielder.
simon23
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Back 3 would be such a waste of our attacking talent. 1 extra CB means 1 less forward/attacking midfielder.
agreed - our forwards without sergio are clinical enough to play like this.....Id be happy to see Pep dump the idea of a back 3 permanently and have left back who s decent going forward but can also defend
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer
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Where’s that tim burgess, Tolmie?
I need some info so I can bet the other way
I need some info so I can bet the other way
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I’d like to think he could, question is after giving him the chance last season and being let down will Pep take the risk of another chance next season. My guess would be no he won’t and out targets seem to confirm it. Can’t say I blame him.He’s had a couple of injuries including one serious one, he has also had a head f*^k of a time in his private life.
He hasn’t been in the right mind set for 18 months - when he is he def can be the partner for Laporte - no questions. However the current question is will he get back to his best
I for one hope he does and quickly
Sorry but Ota has never played at a decent level ever - he has had better moments/periods of a season where his performances have improved but for me he has been a horror story waiting to happen since day 1 at the club - he is dire
That’s not fair. He’s had a number of very good seasons for us although it’s true he’s never been world class and consistent. Always has a rash challenge in him but he’s certainly had better than “decent” seasons.
NorthamptonBlue
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He’s had a couple of injuries including one serious one, he has also had a head f*^k of a time in his private life.
He hasn’t been in the right mind set for 18 months - when he is he def can be the partner for Laporte - no questions. However the current question is will he get back to his best
I for one hope he does and quickly
I fear quickly won’t be enough. His time is up.
Otamendi is far less an issue.
Earns considerably less than Stones and out of contract next summer.
He can count on a lot more suitors abroad than Stones has in England.
I think we would be foolish to sell Stones this summer. Garcia is not as good at this time and might never be.
At least one of my eyebrows are raised.
Neville Kneville
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He has turned his personal life into a burning skip. Left his childhood sweetheart and the mother of his child, replaces her with a ‘party girl’/groupie who has had more players than Jorge Mendes and who was already knocked up by another fella
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/9252760/john-stones-trolled-over-new-mum-lover/
Even so, he's a footballer in one of the best teams of all time. You would think he would be even more focussed on that , if he has relationship problems etc. The football should be an escape from it. He should be the nailed on cb, trying to get City to a Champions League final, not a dodgy sub.
LongsightM13
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He should also be man enough to accept the consequences of his own decisions. This nonsense has been dragging on for too long, I get the impression the management have run out of patience waiting for him to get his shit togetherEven so, he's a footballer in one of the best teams of all time. You would think he would be even more focussed on that , if he has relationship problems etc. The football should be an escape from it. He should be the nailed on cb, trying to get City to a Champions League final, not a dodgy sub.
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Even so, he's a footballer in one of the best teams of all time. You would think he would be even more focussed on that , if he has relationship problems etc. The football should be an escape from it. He should be the nailed on cb, trying to get City to a Champions League final, not a dodgy sub.
Been through relationship issues in the past and believe me all you can think of is the next shag
the lads young and even though I don’t rate him I can understand his head being turned by a woman
Neville Kneville
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Been through relationship issues in the past and believe me all you can think of is the next shag
the lads young and even though I don’t rate him I can understand his head being turned by a woman
I've been there too,& behaved like a twat half the time because of it but I kept it separate from anything where people were relying on me.
Otamendi is far less an issue.
Earns considerably less than Stones and out of contract next summer.
He can count on a lot more suitors abroad than Stones has in England.
I think we would be foolish to sell Stones this summer. Garcia is not as good at this time and might never be.
So if not selling Stones is fine by me it seems people have decided he is crap because he is not playing and the team has not played as well this season as previous season rather than basing that view on what he has or has not done this season. A lot of the mistakes this season seem to come from being exposed rather than errors at set pieces or failing to make tackles or get beat etc struggling to think of any actual individual errors this season but maybe that my memory / pandemic affect on the season.
However if we are not selling him how are we giving playing time to Laport Ake new right CB ? Stones Fernandinho and what happens to Sandler Tosin and THB
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