It's Quiet Thread 15 - Txiki Blinders

[blueparrot]

they had him in their pocket...in their mid 30's....he got nothing from them at all and it was so easy for them. He was poor throughout the tournament despite the media narrative trying to build him up....Sterling was a complete world apart from Kane throughout the tournament

He wasn't in their pocket , the issue was he was nowhere near them, he and England played far too deep. He wouldn't play there with us, for a start playing where he played for England he'd probably be in Edersons way never mind our centre backs.

 

[citizen_maine]

He may, but that might be for reasons our of his control.

It was in his control...until he signed that 5 year deal

 

[decmancity]

they had him in their pocket...in their mid 30's....he got nothing from them at all and it was so easy for them. He was poor throughout the tournament despite the media narrative trying to build him up....Sterling was a complete world apart from Kane throughout the tournament

So Sterling had a world class tournament for England but was pretty crap for us last year. Kane meanwhile was class for Spuds last year but pretty crap in the Euros.

So, what is the outcome here?

How about Patrik Schick, scored 5 in the Euros but scored 9 in 29 for Bayer. How do you explain that one?

 

[Keeper!]

If Kane wasn't hungry for success, he would stay at Spurs.

don't hold your breath

 

[simon23]

So why would we be interested ? I know if I thought all those things and saw he was our No. 1 target I'd at least stop and question whether I had the wrong opinion of him.
People keep saying about pushing us to the next level. There isn't a next level we are in the top level, may be a bit more room to improve at the level we are in, and that's all we are looking for,but there isn't a next level

The level will keep on improving and we have to keep pace....Chelsea showed they are huge contenders in the second half of last season...utd will get stronger..Liverpool will improve solely with the return of VVD and I dont doubt they will get a player or two in.

If we dont improve or we stay still teams will eventually surpass us...Kane and Grealish dont improve us (esp if we lose Bernardo...). They are overrated ( and overpriced but that I dont care about).

Kane over Haaland seems to be for a number of reasons:

1. Pep wants someone to slot in straight away - not a project
2. there is a thought we dont want to deal with Raiola - both in terms of the person and the money we will need to give him.
3. Price --- Haaland seems to be more expensive (if the reports are true)

Id say this:

1. this is short term thinking....Pep will be here 2 seasons at most which seems to be the general thought of most - we will then have an ageing and even slower HK for another 2-3 seasons on extremely high wages and no re sale value - so we will be stuck with him and which will box us off from other options as well.
2. As people say, its not our money so we just have to accept that leaches like Raiola exist and we have to deal with them- it wont stop Chelsea and wont stop others....morals dont achieve anything in football (esp off the pitch).
3. Price - yes he is more expensive - for good reason...more longevity, has a resale value being two reasons.

Who else is going to go for Kane -he has said he wants out..yet all the other big teams arent sniffing around...none abroad, nor Liverpool or Utd (accepting he would never go to another London club)

 

[Utter bobbins]

Anyone starting to get concerned at the lack of transfer action happening? - I thought things might start after the Euros but not much happening yet and not just at City.

I get that the players we have targeted are not easy to secure and have been away playing international football but I am hoping that, if we miss out on them, the club has a Ruben-like Plan C to bring in a new forward as I do not think that we can realistically rely on using similar attacking strategies to the season just gone.

I wonder if the club have set a date by which if we have not signed our primary targets we will move onto the third/fourth choice options.

Yes I have cut up my seasoncard in protest

 

[MadchesterCity]

There's a young kid at Tottenham called Dane Scarlett who you might see next season...

Nowhere near in the same class as Haaland. He's a generational talent head and shoulders above anyone else out there. If rags, Chelsea or dippers land Haaland they'll win the league for sure

 

[simon23]

So Sterling had a world class tournament for England but was pretty crap for us last year. Kane meanwhile was class for Spuds last year but pretty crap in the Euros.

So, what is the outcome here?

How about Patrik Schick, scored 5 in the Euros but scored 9 in 29 for Bayer. How do you explain that one?

Sterling as only crap by his own very high standards which he has set previously for us....and he never goes missing even in crap performances - he still constantly shows for the ball no matter how many times he fails in a game (whether for England or us)....shows character.

Kanes record against the big 6 is poor by comparrison against the likes of Aguero over a long period of time in the prem league...Messi has scored more and he is in a different league altogether

 

[blueparrot]

The level will keep on improving and we have to keep pace....Chelsea showed they are huge contenders in the second half of last season...utd will get stronger..Liverpool will improve solely with the return of VVD and I dont doubt they will get a player or two in.

If we dont improve or we stay still teams will eventually surpass us...Kane and Grealish dont improve us (esp if we lose Bernardo...). They are overrated ( and overpriced but that I dont care about).

Kane over Haaland seems to be for a number of reasons:

1. Pep wants someone to slot in straight away - not a project
2. there is a thought we dont want to deal with Raiola - both in terms of the person and the money we will need to give him.
3. Price --- Haaland seems to be more expensive (if the reports are true)

Id say this:

1. this is short term thinking....Pep will be here 2 seasons at most which seems to be the general thought of most - we will then have an ageing and even slower HK for another 2-3 seasons on extremely high wages and no re sale value - so we will be stuck with him and which will box us off from other options as well.
2. As people say, its not our money so we just have to accept that leaches like Raiola exist and we have to deal with them- it wont stop Chelsea and wont stop others....morals dont achieve anything in football (esp off the pitch).
3. Price - yes he is more expensive - for good reason...more longevity, has a resale value being two reasons.

Who else is going to go for Kane -he has said he wants out..yet all the other big teams arent sniffing around...none abroad, nor Liverpool or Utd (accepting he would never go to another London club)

Think adding the premier league's best striker to us improves us from last season more than anyone else ihas improveds.It isn't just Peps choice thats's why we have a director of football.
Pep will be here at least 2 years maybe more, Kane at least 4, I won't worry now what happens in 2 or maybe 4 years.
We have no idea what expectations within the club are for Delap over the next few years.
Finally I use the evidence of the last 10 years to see we are run by serious and successful people, they will make nistakes, or do things that don't work out ,it's sport, they won't make stupid decisions though.

 

[Keeper!]

There's a young kid at Tottenham called Dane Scarlett who you might see next season...

Captain material?

 

[simon23]

Think adding the premier league's best striker to us improves us from last season more than anyone else ihas improveds.It isn't just Peps choice thats's why we have a director of football.
Pep will be here at least 2 years maybe more, Kane at least 4, I won't worry now what happens in 2 or maybe 4 years.
We have no idea what expectations within the club are for Delap over the next few years.
Finally I use the evidence of the last 10 years to see we are run by serious and successful people, they will make nistakes, or do things that don't work out ,it's sport, they won't make stupid decisions though.

torres was the leagues best when he went to chelsea....what about Sanchez to utd ...both utter failures
Are you telling me that for instance if Pep didnt want someone that Txixi would go above him and get that player --- i dont think so....its a collective agreement.
We have to look long term- that is why utd have struggled after Ferguson...stuck with various players and managers who didnt fit each other.
Agreed on they make mistakes...I believe this is one....Just as Bravo for instance was one which loads of people called, Nolito another.....and loads before Pep arrived (bony for instance that loads called as well).....

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Nowhere near in the same class as Haaland. He's a generational talent head and shoulders above anyone else out there. If rags, Chelsea or dippers land Haaland they'll win the league for sure

Hardly a generational talent, Mbappe was on the scene three seasons ago and nobody was talking about Haaland then.

Always a new gunslinger in town.

 

[Roy Munson]

The level will keep on improving and we have to keep pace....Chelsea showed they are huge contenders in the second half of last season...utd will get stronger..Liverpool will improve solely with the return of VVD and I dont doubt they will get a player or two in.

If we dont improve or we stay still teams will eventually surpass us...Kane and Grealish dont improve us (esp if we lose Bernardo...). They are overrated ( and overpriced but that I dont care about).

Kane over Haaland seems to be for a number of reasons:

1. Pep wants someone to slot in straight away - not a project
2. there is a thought we dont want to deal with Raiola - both in terms of the person and the money we will need to give him.
3. Price --- Haaland seems to be more expensive (if the reports are true)

Id say this:

1. this is short term thinking....Pep will be here 2 seasons at most which seems to be the general thought of most - we will then have an ageing and even slower HK for another 2-3 seasons on extremely high wages and no re sale value - so we will be stuck with him and which will box us off from other options as well.
2. As people say, its not our money so we just have to accept that leaches like Raiola exist and we have to deal with them- it wont stop Chelsea and wont stop others....morals dont achieve anything in football (esp off the pitch).
3. Price - yes he is more expensive - for good reason...more longevity, has a resale value being two reasons.

Who else is going to go for Kane -he has said he wants out..yet all the other big teams arent sniffing around...none abroad, nor Liverpool or Utd (accepting he would never go to another London club)

Every single year, we get these kinds of posts. 'Waaaaaa! We're going to get surpassed, everyone's getting stronger while we're standing still!!!'

And yet, we're easily the most successful club domestically over the last 10 years. Not bad considering our chronic inertia.

 

[blueparrot]

torres was the leagues best when he went to chelsea....what about Sanchez to utd ...both utter failures
Are you telling me that for instance if Pep didnt want someone that Txixi would go above him and get that player --- i dont think so....its a collective agreement.
We have to look long term- that is why utd have struggled after Ferguson...stuck with various players and managers who didnt fit each other.
Agreed on they make mistakes...I believe this is one....Just as Bravo for instance was one which loads of people called, Nolito another.....and loads before Pep arrived (bony for instance that loads called as well).....

Guess we'll see, I have no worries. Assuming Haaland is a o go for whatever reasons, who would you buy as our centre forward ?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Yes I have cut up my seasoncard in protest

You’ve snapped your phone?

 

[Roy Munson]

Hardly a generational talent, Mbappe was on the scene three seasons ago and nobody was talking about Haaland then.

Football fandom is weird nowadays. There seems to be a huge percentage of 'fans' who support a player as opposed to a club. It's totally skewed any perception of value or ability.

 

[MadchesterCity]

Really? You're predicting that there will never be a player as good as Haaland? Ever?

From a goal scoring perspective, no there won't be another player as good as him along for another 15-20 years,maybe even longer

Yes I really do think he'll be that special

 

[Utter bobbins]

You’ve snapped your phone?

Yes it’s a right mess

 

[simon23]

Guess we'll see, I have no worries. Assuming Haaland is a o go for whatever reasons, who would you buy as our centre forward ?

Haaland isnt a no go.....give them the money they want (or close to it) they will snap our hands off...they aint losing out on 100m+ no way.
Id actually rather go with what we have than sign Kane...it keeps us more fluid. We also have torres that it wouldnt be unreasonaable to suggest could play a bigger role...same with Foden this season. the long term potential negatives of HK are a concern.......and not just his fitness which will continue to deteriorate (and if his work rate and movement during the Euros are anything to go by he is nowhere near fit.

 

[decmancity]

Sterling as only crap by his own very high standards which he has set previously for us....and he never goes missing even in crap performances - he still constantly shows for the ball no matter how many times he fails in a game (whether for England or us)....shows character.

Kanes record against the big 6 is poor by comparrison against the likes of Aguero over a long period of time in the prem league...Messi has scored more and he is in a different league altogether

"Never goes missing", that is a discussion for another thread.

So Kane isn't as good as Aguero despite playing for a team that at best finished 3rd in a two horse race in the past decade or Messi, may as well pack up the club then.

What is Haaland's record against the top 6?