Re: Jérémy Hélan & City (Merged)
FCLB said:
[quote="Dubai Blue]
I thought I was very clear in my views. I don't know Freddy Adu's case and nor do I care, but if he was subject to the same kind of backwards laws that are apparently prevalent in France, then I hold the US in the same disregard as I do France.
Legally binding someone to a piece of paper signed as a 13 year old is wrong. I don't really care what country it happens in; it is quite clearly wrong. And any court of actual importance to this case will tell you the same thing.
You question my use of "if". Well, if you have a problem about Freddy Adu's contract, please state it. I have neither the time nor inclination to research it. But I can promise you that my opinion will not change no matter what you reply with.
Oh, and the last time I checked, the US was not part of the EU, so I don't really see what relevance your point has.
Your position is unclear. You say that your position will come automatically to the conclusion if.
Few lines later, you state I might have a problem with Adu's contract.
The US is not part of the EU but still part of what it is called the first world. The US is usually acclaimed as the poster child for democracy and civil/human rights.
The time to research it?
-copy "freedy adu first professional contract" (two seconds)
-open browser on google (five seconds)
-paste "freddy adu first professional contract" (two seconds)
-click research button, wait for answer (one second)
Read headers.
Ten seconds research, less it took you to write your previous message.
The inclination, it is more understandable as you dont want to repeat your conclusion on a country like the US which would certainly weaken your point of view.
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Hélan's ancestors were from Africa but he will have to track back a number of generations to be find something else than french citizenship.
More likely, Hélan is going to play for the national english squad. All it takes is taking up english citizenship around his twenty one, twenty two and wait for the english management to give him a selection in the senior english squad.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
Thank you for coming on to debate with us. This is not about being anti-French, I hope. The issue of what is and isn't allowed in USA is irrelevant as we are part of the EU and USA is not. The laws are different in different parts of the world.
The matter of pre-contracts is sanctioned by the FFF. The FFF have legal advice which says pre-contracts are OK within French and therefore EU law. The tribunals of the FFF have upheld the pre-contracts on that basis. Helan is asking the French law courts to confirm or refute the legal advice given to the FFF.
That is clear.
The first issue is a legal one. Can a minor (below the age of 16) enter into an binding agreement for the future. English law says not, and I believe EU law says not. French law may say otherwise, I don't know for sure. Then the question is whether French law is in line with EU law, as we are all subservient to EU Law in these matters. Or is there a declaration that football is a special case within EU law?
The other issue is about personal choice. There is evidence Helan didn't want to stay at Rennes, but there is no evidence that Helan had his 'head turned' by City. Should he be forced to do something he doesn't want to do and that he feels will affect his career badly, just because he signed a piece of paper at the age of 13. The law sensibly says he couldn't know the implications of that piece of paper at that young age.
Helan has had his career disrupted becuse of this situation. He is banned from national teams. He is under huge stress.
No one disputes the wrong of moving children around in case 'they make it big' and then dumping them when they don't. That can be stopped. But you can't deny young people their choices. All you can do is ensure they are taken care of and given a clear future (in football or not), and then ensure anyone who has helped develop them them is compensated.
That is true in every day life, why not in football?
