Jacinda Ardern

bluethrunthru said:
yeah and its two Islands etc etc - thing is with a grown up approach to politics Labour won a majority for the first time for any party in decades. Then her/the party approach got buy in from the population who all worked hard on Covid. Then when new cases appeared that was repeated and so on. All this was on the back of dealing with the massive earthquake and the Mosque massacre.

Size of the population pales when you factor in the fucking tribal nationalistic approach to Covid and Brexit by the shit show here.
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Tribalism in politics stems from a lack of knowledge and understanding, both in terms of the subject and the democratic process.

I suspect New Zealand political tribalism is the same as it is everywhere else.
 
If JRM were Samoan he'd be making speeches telly NZ to fuck off out of their politics and leave them to do their own thing and die in droves

 
@Hart of the Matter

Here’s the key bit -
The reality is that the latest data showed only small changes to child poverty levels, within the margin of error. The number of children living in households below the poverty line of 50 percent of the average household income (after housing costs are deducted) dropped just 2 percent from 253,800 in 2018 to 235,400 in mid-2019.

If more up-to-date figures were available, UNICEF’s report would undoubtedly be much worse. New Zealand’s entrenched social crisis has been greatly exacerbated by the government’s pro-business response to the pandemic.
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If you replaced New Zealand with UK and Ardern with Johnson, it wouldn’t look out of place.
 
Ban-jani said:
@Hart of the Matter

Here’s the key bit -

If you replaced New Zealand with UK and Ardern with Johnson, it wouldn’t look out of place.
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So 3 years in a coalition, 1 year of which is dominated by covid is enough for you to take some measure against data that shows deep seated issues from before her term?

I have family who work in the public sector in NZ. Deep seated issues with education standards, obesity and cultural issues are long standing. No easy fixes. Structural issues are at the heart of the child poverty issues. They are optimistic about the focus family poverty is now been given.
At least, thanks to JAs handling of covid, economically and health impacts, including mental health impact have been minimised. Will not show in their child poverty figures but has real implications.
 
Hart of the Matter said:
So 3 years in a coalition, 1 year of which is dominated by covid is enough for you to take some measure against data that shows deep seated issues from before her term?

I have family who work in the public sector in NZ. Deep seated issues with education standards, obesity and cultural issues are long standing. No easy fixes. Structural issues are at the heart of the child poverty issues. They are optimistic about the focus family poverty is now been given.
At least, thanks to JAs handling of covid, economically and health impacts, including mental health impact have been minimised. Will not show in their child poverty figures but has real implications.
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She’s in her last year of her first term, so yes, I can take some measure against it.

Boris is getting loads of stick here and he’s been in the job 18 months- and quite rightly he should.

Child poverty shouldn’t be a political football.

It’s those that are stating how good she was and how “she and AOC should run the world”, based on what exactly?

Decent memes and Instagram posts?

I don’t have a problem with Ardern generally speaking, I’m just merely highlighting where she’s fallen short in her job.
 
Ban-jani said:
She’s in her last year of her first term, so yes, I can take some measure against it.

Boris is getting loads of stick here and he’s been in the job 18 months- and quite rightly he should.

Child poverty shouldn’t be a political football.

It’s those that are stating how good she was and how “she and AOC should run the world”, based on what exactly?

Decent memes and Instagram posts?

I don’t have a problem with Ardern generally speaking, I’m just merely highlighting where she’s fallen short in her job.
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You raised child poverty.

The indicators are not reliable because one years measures should not be taken as a trend. But who was the first to put the measures in place?
So you can't say she has fallen short. The measures to assert such a statement simply don't exist.

Your didsengenous responses smacks of making child poverty a political football, despite your protestations.

Latest Treasury projected figures shows 2 out 3 targets are on course for 2021.

My extensive family members in NZ now have KPIs in place driving their performance management focus on Child Poverty for the first time ever But hey, don't let real peoples experience shade your narrative.
 
Hart of the Matter said:
You raised child poverty.

The indicators are not reliable because one years measures should not be taken as a trend. But who was the first to put the measures in place?
So you can't say she has fallen short. The measures to assert such a statement simply don't exist.

Your didsengenous responses smacks of making child poverty a political football, despite your protestations.

Latest Treasury projected figures shows 2 out 3 targets are on course for 2021.

My extensive family members in NZ now have KPIs in place driving their performance management focus on Child Poverty for the first time ever But hey, don't let real peoples experience shade your narrative.
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In 3 years she’s managed to improve it by 2percent, if the targets are being achieved then the targets are too low.

No, I am not playing political football, as I’ve said, I have no issue with her. She’s not my leader and I choose to focus on the Tories’ failings as a Brit.

You keep mentioning your extensive family but it doesn’t mean anything, they’re a handful of citizens with an opinion, it’s about as useful as a handful of posters in Brexit thread and what they think.

I can say she’s fallen short because she has.
The number of children living in households below the poverty line of 50 percent of the average household income (after housing costs are deducted) dropped just 2 percent from 253,800 in 2018 to 235,400 in mid-2019.
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If you think that’s good enough then you need to increase your standards.
 
What a wonderful job she and the people of NZ have done. 25 deaths. Pitty we didn't have someone of the same calibre in charge. All those lives we could have saved. Their borders are still closed, all returning Kiwis have to pay to isolate. We do it now and it is a pity we couldn't have done it to start. Our daughter and her family live over there and life goes on as normal - normal I said not the 'new' normal. Remember that when we used to go out for a drink down the pub or go out for a meal and no facemasks??
 
Fred_Quimby said:
What a wonderful job she and the people of NZ have done. 25 deaths. Pitty we didn't have someone of the same calibre in charge. All those lives we could have saved. Their borders are still closed, all returning Kiwis have to pay to isolate. We do it now and it is a pity we couldn't have done it to start. Our daughter and her family live over there and life goes on as normal - normal I said not the 'new' normal. Remember that when we used to go out for a drink down the pub or go out for a meal and no facemasks??
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Good job but an Island with closed borders and a population spread they have has many advantages the UK doesn't.

Covid hasn't impacted the island nations in the Pacific / Oceanic Region to any degree in terms of deaths because of closed borders although PNG is now in some strife.

if we had of used the NSW model in Australia we would have had under 100 deaths to date albeit we still close our borders to overseas travellers both ways including students from Asian countries one of our biggest money spinners.

Taiwan is the gold star IMO.
 
mancity1 said:
Good job but an Island with closed borders and a population spread they have has many advantages the UK doesn't.

Covid hasn't impacted the island nations in the Pacific / Oceanic Region to any degree in terms of deaths because of closed borders although PNG is now in some strife.

if we had of used the NSW model in Australia we would have had under 100 deaths to date albeit we still close our borders to overseas travellers both ways including students from Asian countries one of our biggest money spinners.

Taiwan is the gold star IMO.
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yeah but she didn't have to chose to lock down the borders. She didn't have to chose to tell people to stay home. She didn't have to have meetings, attend them and make decisions.

But she did.

The UK borders are still as porous as hell. Johnson let Cheltenham go ahead and let the dippers play whilst sitting on the GMB sofa declaring we were going to have to take it on the chin. He decided the first 5 COBRA meetings weren't worth attending, failed to take control and has constantly made vital decisions when its too late.

Thats the difference.

Anyway my posting was also as much to do with Ralf Little's comments which I thought were funny.
 
bluethrunthru said:
yeah but she didn't have to chose to lock down the borders. She didn't have to chose to tell people to stay home. She didn't have to have meetings, attend them and make decisions.

But she did.

The UK borders are still as porous as hell. Johnson let Cheltenham go ahead and let the dippers play whilst sitting on the GMB sofa declaring we were going to have to take it on the chin. He decided the first 5 COBRA meetings weren't worth attending, failed to take control and has constantly made vital decisions when its too late.

Thats the difference.

Anyway my posting was also as much to do with Ralf Little's comments which I thought were funny.
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Australia were the first to close their borders and she followed suit.

NZ's like Australians generally do what governments tell them to do in a health crisis , we have a lot of bush fires and floods etc.

Government is all about leadership and making decisions good or bad.

Personally I think we give them to much credence for success and too much flack for failure.

the individual knows what to do most times.
 
mancity1 said:
Australia were the first to close their borders and she followed suit.

NZ's like Australians generally do what governments tell them to do in a health crisis , we have a lot of bush fires and floods etc.

Government is all about leadership and making decisions good or bad.

Personally I think we give them to much credence for success and too much flack for failure.

the individual knows what to do most times.
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Individuals doing the right thing here have resulted in @160k deaths - individuals are fucking selfish and stupid
 
Politics is all about choices - about doing the right thing and your vision of the right thing is what you do.......

 
Absolutely disgusting breaking with the 5 eyes and reaching out for more trade with the Chinese while they are participating in basically genocide
 
Del_Bosque said:
Absolutely disgusting breaking with the 5 eyes and reaching out for more trade with the Chinese while they are participating in basically genocide
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Five Eyes is an intelligence sharing arrangement, it is not a political alliance through which the US or anyone else can dictate a member state’s foreign policy.
 
Del_Bosque said:
Absolutely disgusting breaking with the 5 eyes and reaching out for more trade with the Chinese while they are participating in basically genocide
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We have just signed a $5bn deal to supply arms to Saudi, therefore being complicit in the troubles in the Middle East and the destruction of Yemen. Surely, using your point, we should not be traded with.
 
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