Jack Rodwell - young English talent NOT to sign for City

[Neville Kneville]

The media don't focus on the nice stuff because it doesn't sell as many papers. Rodwell / his advisors have been about long enough to know the media would use Jack's lack of game of time against us and the lad was hardly going to remind the press of his injuries.

It is a shame that Jack wasn't fitter because we may never know if he was good enough for our first team. If Jack was fit in the last 12 months then it was too late as we had bought reinforcements (to the point where we could let Barry go out on loan).

That said Our Club is not behind the wall in trying to use the media as evidenced by our misleading "holistic" claims. Hopefully playing the same system through the age groups will help players to develop but we are years away from an homegrown English player getting a run in the team.

Sorry but I don't get that bit, where did we say we'll introduce young players before they're actually good enough?

And for everyone getting their panties in a twist over this thread try reading the actual article rather than the headline. In fact try a little game called spot the quote, believe me you'll struggle.
Sly ran a similar one where the caption is "Rodwell glad to be out of City" and the headline is "Premier League: Sunderland's Jack Rodwell glad Manchester City career is over". Nowhere in the article does he say any such thing. Media are scum, get over it.

I read the whole article Cin and I wasn't taken in by the headline. However, the priority for Roswell and his people was to get across the message that he wasn't injury prone. Inevitably, this line from the Rodwell's would give the media an open goal to have a pop at us. No surprise there then!

No we won't introduce young English players if they are not good enough and article's like the Mirror push this back further. As a Club, I am afraid we could do better than:
(A) not produce a single homegrown English Ayer in the last 5 years.
(B) Sell our best young prospect of the last decade - Daniel Sturridge - who claims he wanted to leave due to lack of first team opportunies.
(C) Replace Jack Rodwell (who I agree was ready for a move) with Bruno Zuc.

I am loving the trophies and being Champions but anyone taken in by the "holistic" press release needs to go back to school. The new Academy looks great but the current best youth production line in Europe, at Feyenord,barely have two coins to scratch together.

City are absolutely serious about the academy project. It's those who expect it to have happened already when it hasn't even opened yet who need to go back to school. And Sturridge is full of shit like Rodwell. You don't leave a team where you are competing with Ched Evans for a future first team spot, to compete with fucking Drogba.

If he was leaving to get games, he would have gone to Birmingham or similar, not Chelsea. He is a complete liar.

 

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And yes I read the article.

 

[BillyShears]

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And yes I read the article.

My sentiments exactly. All this nonsense about how his quotes are spot on, is exactly that, fucking nonsense. Firstly they don't even make much sense. Secondly, even if you do decipher them, what they certainly don't say is "City are a top club, current champions, and they paid me really well. I didn't get a chance last season because the new manager didn't fancy me but i'm sure if the manager signs you, you'll get a chance no matter what your age or nationality."

 

[agyeiboateng]

"Rodwell is the latest England star to go backwards at the champions."

Fuck off! Star? A fucking star? Really? And how is it nasty Manchester City's fault that Rodwell is a sick note? Why not mention how Rooney, another England 'star', has gone backwards in recent seasons at the rags, like Smalling, Jones, Cleverley etc? But nooo, blame it all on MCFC.

Why do you always have to bring them into it? It has nothing to do with the other side of Manchester.

Also Smalling and Jones no matter how bad you think they are all play regulatory for MU. If they have or go backwards its simply because they are not good enough. Smalling is actually a good player, hence why Wenger cheekily bid for him yesterday. I don't rate jones though one bit.

 

[cibaman]

Rodwell has a point on he didnt have so many injuries last season, simply was fit but not picked by Pelle, maybe he didnt impress in trainings and also in the few games he got his chances he was shit.
(As he says he wasnt always injured when his name wasnt in match squad, he simply wasnt picked and was in the stands regularly, many of the times he was fit these times...)

We have two international players in nearly every position, a young English should only come here if he knows 100% he will be at least the second choice for a position. Like if we had Zabaleta and before getting Sagna we could have gone for a younger English RB.
But if a younger English RB would arrive now after Zab/Sagna, no matter how big talent he is, he wouldnt get the game time for sure ahead of Zab/Sagna.

Rodwell came as a future Barry, but even Mancini at the time wanted to replace Barry with a world class (De Rossi), than the first thing Txiki did was getting Fernandinho next window. Not even mentioning we brought in Garcia after a few weeks we got Rodwell.

But if Rodwell would have been that big talent its not Sunderland coming for him but lot stronger clubs just like for AJ...

Perhaps the reason why he was fit for most of last season was because he didn't play?

He may have been fit enough to play the odd game if called upon, but were the club confident that he could play regularly without breaking down?

 

[Deleted member 58678]

I think he's right. I've said as much for a long time. I think part of the season why there isn't enough good English players around.

Not so much "don't sign for City"; rather "don't sign for the top clubs"!

Look at young Argentine players, for example. What usually happens is, if they shine at a young age in Argentina they come up on the radar of clubs who may be just in the top half or Europe League competing quality in a verity of leagues. Then when they've proved themselves to be very good at that level, they come onto the radar of clubs like Porto or Atléti (if they're showing signs of elite talent even earlier they may go straight to the likes of Porto and Atléti from Argentina). Again, once they've shown to be quality for them clubs like Real Madrid, Chelsea, Bayern and City come in for them at £30-60m.

With young English players, they show signs of being a good player and instead of going to intermediate clubs or other European countries to ply their trade at first team level and get to play in the Europa League, they go straight to Chelsea or City and sit on the bench and lose a huge amount of game time and stunt their progress as a player.

Now I'm not saying Rodwell meant that as I did, but he's got a point. Unfortunately for Rodwell, as good as he is (and he is!), he was too unreliable with injuries to qualify having a moan about this. He just comes across a bit bitter, when he does really have a good point there if he'd said it right or at a better time than just after we'd sold him after he'd spent 75% of two years inured with us.

But I've said for a long time that the pathway for young English players to become elite players is absolutely dreadful. You only have to look at us when we've sent players on own to the likes of Blackburn Portsmouth Bolton and Stoke etc. these clubs don't have a fucking clue how to nurture young talented players from top clubs. You then look at how Feyenoord and Eindhoven have dealt with two of our loanees and what they've got out of it and you can see the difference. It's huge!

Young English players should go on loan abroad, or be sold abroad and go and prove themselves in the first team somewhere away from an elite club before getting that move to an elite club if they prove themselves good enough. Just like the young Argentine boys do.

Signing for an elite club too young can ruin a career.

 

[agyeiboateng]

Also i remember many years ago, the media were hounding Wenger when he fielded an Arsenal team with not 1 English player and everybody was criticising him etc...He always said that if they were good enough, they would play.

Now in 2014, Arsenal have Walcott, Wilshere, Gibbs, AOC, Ramsey (Although Welsh)....so basically what he said was right.

Maybe we will go the same way in four or five years time.

 

[BucksBlue]

If Jack had maintained match fitness and was good enough to play in our excellent team he would have played more games. His career progression and opportunities has fuck all to do with whether he's english but the media choose to exploit the situation.
Our clubs investment in training facilities, coaching structure etc is forward thinking and the results of this in years to come will further prove this media snapshot redundant.
Keep up the holistics City

 

[littlemarkyc]

It's irrelevant that he's English, thus whole in kidding Adam Johnson reference is about 2 decent players who were not good enough to make it at the highest domestic level. Their nationality is irrelevant. This is borne out by where they have both moved to.... Sunderland, a club that narrowly avoided relegation last year. If they were good enough for city but just hadn't been given the chance, they'd have been snapped up by much better teams, maybe spurs or someone of that level but they weren't interested for a reason.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

The newspapers have had nothing much negative to write about us because we've had a quiet and smooth pre-season. The first chance they get they twist some innocent comments from a decent young lad into a scummy back page to attack City. Rodwell will probably be as appalled as us to read that headline in the morning. And I hope City's PR team are on the phone tomorrow to the Mirror Group...

Do not buy these newspapers who attack our club. The only papers that avoid this phenomenon seem to be The Times and, yes I'm going to say it, MEN, who are making a concerted effort to cover us more positively these days (redcirclegate may have been the turning point).

Right on cue, red circle boy appears

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