Jadon Sancho

[robbieh]

Question. As I watch zilch academy football.

Foden, Diaz and Sancho. How do they compare?

 

[mccity]

Question. As I watch zilch academy football.

Foden, Diaz and Sancho. How do they compare?

I don't watch academy football all the time but from what I've seen

Sancho: Incredibly skillful, sensational dribbler and amazing technique when striking a ball. Strong and fast too, could be playing first team football soon in the right guidance. Only major weakness is he lacks the footballing brain the best players have; It's a typical English thing I guess; he did just come from Watford (no disrespect). But he'll get there in the right academy/team. He's always been a hard worker in that sense.

Foden: Very, very clever footballer. He's compared to Silva frequently and you can see why. Excellent close control, good shot too. His movement off the ball is inspired at times, and like Silva his ability to receive the ball in tight spaces and make something of it is at a level well beyond his years. Only thing is he's very slight physically. The preseason games showed this I feel. As such he'd benefit from going on loan the most, as he needs the experience of playing in a more demanding league to complete his development. He's pretty much there otherwise.

Diaz: The one to be excited about. His raw talent is immense. Feels like watching Messi at times. Absolute wand of a left foot. Very fast and agile too. A little bit greedy at times, but you would be with his ability. Could do with toughening up a bit (not necessarily bulking up), in the way David Silva did over the years since joining. A loan might suit him in the way I think it would Foden. But he'd probably get by fine if he stayed.

All three could be something special, that's a certainty.

 

[Sunnysideupp]

To be fair, the sale of Rony Lopes is more of an accident, City thought Pellegrini wanted him sold, when he just wanted him loaned. Chalk that up to poor communication more than anything.

Also, people are judging our academy on the past, ignoring what Pep will do in the future. This is why I will not be all doom and gloom; the academy in the past hasn't produced into the first team, but Pep's record and the fact that City are seemingly giving Pep full control gives me hope for the future.

Also, the fact that 3 of our youngsters were specifically pointed out as making it into the first team is why myself, and others just think his decision is odd.

Our record for youth is poor but the club are changing that, they brought in the best manager for playing young players and publically went on the record to point out 3 individuals. If one of those individuals all of a sudden see's no chance then to me it seems like a poor decision to leave.

This is bollocks in my opinion. Pelligrini was always a temporary manager warming the seat for Pep. Txiki is the guy who buys and sells players. I find it hard to believe that a club, as well managed as ours, will end up selling an asset because of miscommunication. The goof up that happened in the press conference only goes to show how clueless Pellers was and that Tkiki has been building this team for Pep. The purchases of De Bruyne and Sterling are further proof of that.

 

[robbieh]

I don't watch academy football all the time but from what I've seen

Sancho: Incredibly skillful, sensational dribbler and amazing technique when striking a ball. Strong and fast too, could be playing first team football soon in the right guidance. Only major weakness is he lacks the footballing brain the best players have; It's a typical English thing I guess; he did just come from Watford (no disrespect). But he'll get there in the right academy/team. He's always been a hard worker in that sense.

Foden: Very, very clever footballer. He's compared to Silva frequently and you can see why. Excellent close control, good shot too. His movement off the ball is inspired at times, and like Silva his ability to receive the ball in tight spaces and make something of it is at a level well beyond his years. Only thing is he's very slight physically. The preseason games showed this I feel. As such he'd benefit from going on loan the most, as he needs the experience of playing in a more demanding league to complete his development. He's pretty much there otherwise.

Diaz: The one to be excited about. His raw talent is immense. Feels like watching Messi at times. Absolute wand of a left foot. Very fast and agile too. A little bit greedy at times, but you would be with his ability. Could do with toughening up a bit (not necessarily bulking up), in the way David Silva did over the years since joining. A loan might suit him in the way I think it would Foden. But he'd probably get by fine if he stayed.

All three could be something special, that's a certainty.

Thanks for taking so much time to answer my question in such detail.

Sounds like we will soon be reaping rewards from our academy which will save us having to dip into the transfer market so often.

 

[come-on-barney]

It might take a special player to 'make it' in this City team, but it sure as fuck hasn't taken a special player to play in it. We have had loads of very unspecial, senior pros, who have played games for City over the past decade.

So it shouldn't be any different for our own kids.

It's not about them all starting games now, it's about them starting to get minutes on the pitch, here & there, to see if they might have what it takes to start games in the future.

If hardly any get on, then it is a a warning to the younger kids that they might not get a chance when they are older.

This point is so simple & so obvious, I don't understand why people still don't get it.

Couldn't agree more

 

[Neville Kneville]

You know what I meant. 3 years in its current guise since we adopted the philosophy of every team at the club being coached the same away......ahead of Pep's arrival

That isn't correct either. The academy was in full bloom before the move to the Etihad.

Has anyone asked for Sancho to be playing in the first team already ? Has he asked for it ?

Because people seem to keep answering that post yet I have never read anyone post it.

The only posts I've read are referring to the fact, that our previous record in not rewarding young players by giving them minutes in the first team, be it off the bench or whatever, is OBVIOUSLY, going to be noticed by the next generations & OBVIOUSLY going to be used as a tool, by other clubs, to try & persuade our best kids to depart. Surely nobody in their right mind can fail to appreciate this ?

It is something we have to address, quickly. We need to improve our reputation.

This is what our rivals will be saying to Sancho now, & judging by recent reports, we are trying to persuade him otherwise, as we managed to do with Tosin, who almost left.

The fact we have Pep & have so far given Foden & Diaz a high profile on tour, may perhaps even rescue the situation, or at least make sure Sancho is the only one to be tempted away.

The character assassination some on here are employing against the player, may therefore, hopefully, be premature.

 

[oldius]

There should be no assassination of a 17 year old, that's for certain. It is not a straightforward situation as he has been identified as one of the most promising young players in Europe by winning the Golden Player award. It's reasonable for him to expect a pathway to the first team and to be wanting reassurances, before signing a contract, that he has a chance of playing first team football.

As City fans, we perhaps expect more: I'd sign a contract like a shot for a whiff of a City career but I grew up in Moss Side, with Tueart, Barnes and Doyle my early heroes. Jadon does not have that loyalty so he and his advisors will expect something more. Neville is correct when he states that rivals will be using this against us, however relevant it is, just to persuade talented youngsters that they have more of a chance elsewhere. The change will happen when our actions on the pitch show Academy players that they can achieve their goals. Hopefully Foden and Diaz will persuade him as he is talented. I did have a conversation with one of the Academy player's fathers who said that Jadon needed to be "Humble." It was said with enough conviction to suggest that humility wasn't one of his strengths, but that doesn't make him less of a talent.

 

[depps]

Anybody watching or at this open training session? I have it on I'm the background here and they have just done big pieces on Foden and Diaz. Zinchenko, Denayer, Nasri etc all there. Haven't seen any sign of Sancho

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

That isn't correct either. The academy was in full bloom before the move to the Etihad.

Has anyone asked for Sancho to be playing in the first team already ? Has he asked for it ?

Because people seem to keep answering that post yet I have never read anyone post it.

The only posts I've read are referring to the fact, that our previous record in not rewarding young players by giving them minutes in the first team, be it off the bench or whatever, is OBVIOUSLY, going to be noticed by the next generations & OBVIOUSLY going to be used as a tool, by other clubs, to try & persuade our best kids to depart. Surely nobody in their right mind can fail to appreciate this ?

It is something we have to address, quickly. We need to improve our reputation.

This is what our rivals will be saying to Sancho now, & judging by recent reports, we are trying to persuade him otherwise, as we managed to do with Tosin, who almost left.

The fact we have Pep & have so far given Foden & Diaz a high profile on tour, may perhaps even rescue the situation, or at least make sure Sancho is the only one to be tempted away.

The character assassination some on here are employing against the player, may therefore, hopefully, be premature.

I can only repeat that Sancho has only just turned 17 and the club has made it abundantly clear that it foresees a future for him at first team level. It wouldn't have offered the lad a £1.5m a year contract otherwise. Obviously I am not privy to Sancho's thought processes any more than you are, but whereas you are willing to ascribe his disinclination to accept the offer on the table as being due to him believing he will not get the opportunities so indicated by that offer, I put it down to his having had Spurs and Arsenal in his earhole and a potential return to London thrown in. Certainly his puerile walkout lends to the perception that he doesn't give two shits about City and that his US tour exclusion is a convenient excuse on which to hang his hat

 

[Blue Smarties]

There should be no assassination of a 17 year old, that's for certain. It is not a straightforward situation as he has been identified as one of the most promising young players in Europe by winning the Golden Player award. It's reasonable for him to expect a pathway to the first team and to be wanting reassurances, before signing a contract, that he has a chance of playing first team football.

As City fans, we perhaps expect more: I'd sign a contract like a shot for a whiff of a City career but I grew up in Moss Side, with Tueart, Barnes and Doyle my early heroes. Jadon does not have that loyalty so he and his advisors will expect something more. Neville is correct when he states that rivals will be using this against us, however relevant it is, just to persuade talented youngsters that they have more of a chance elsewhere. The change will happen when our actions on the pitch show Academy players that they can achieve their goals. Hopefully Foden and Diaz will persuade him as he is talented. I did have a conversation with one of the Academy player's fathers who said that Jadon needed to be "Humble." It was said with enough conviction to suggest that humility wasn't one of his strengths, but that doesn't make him less of a talent.

Stopped reading when you said there should be no assassination. The kid did it himself when he started refusing to train and ignoring phone calls from the club. You don't do that to any club as someone who has done fuck all in the pro game. Even as a pro you don't do that. Look at how Sanchez is pushing for his move, even how Sterling got his. There's a manner in how you act.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I can only repeat that Sancho has only just turned 17 and the club has made it abundantly clear that it foresees a future for him at first team level. It wouldn't have offered the lad a £1.5m a year contract otherwise. Obviously I am nor privy to Sancho's thought processes any more than you are, but whereas you are willing to ascribe his disinclination to accept the offer on the table as being due to him believing he will not get the opportunities so indicated by that offer, I put it down to his having had Spurs and Arsenal in his earhole and a potential return to London thrown in. Certainly his puerile walkout lends to the perception that he doesn't give two shits about City and that his US tour exclusion is a convenient excuse on which to hang his hat

We don't even know if there is a walkout. He might have been given time to think for all we know.

But in the past few seasons when people such as myself have mentioned about our kids bei g tapped up by others, due to our enemies being able to tempt them with promises of first team involvement, compared to our so far proven failure to bring though a single player, especially English ones & rarely even use such as a sub, for 5 minutes, the arrogant response has been that 'we have the best blah blah, nothing to worry about'.

Now we see kids we really want to keep, such as Tosin & Sancho being tempted by our enemies & still plenty of people can't see it.

Things need to change, fast.

 

[Wiirdo]

We don't even know if there is a walkout. He might have been given time to think for all we know.

But in the past few seasons when people such as myself have mentioned about our kids bei g tapped up by others, due to our enemies being able to tempt them with promises of first team involvement, compared to our so far proven failure to bring though a single player, especially English ones & rarely even use such as a sub, for 5 minutes, the arrogant response has been that 'we have the best blah blah, nothing to worry about'.

Now we see kids we really want to keep, such as Tosin & Sancho being tempted by our enemies & still plenty of people can't see it.

Things need to change, fast.

Bang on. They just need to look at our "development" of Gunn, who sat out an entire season for no reason essentially, Tosin with almost no game time etc.

 

[caseball]

Seems you are the only one talking any sense on this thread.

Had some doubts about Sancho;s character when I saw him playing abroad in a tournament. He was being substituted for Foden in one match with about 10 mins remaining. As he came off the pitch he seemed to be sulking & when Foden put out his hand to shake it as 2 players normally do when exchanging places Sancho ignored it & Foden did seem a bit put out by it.[/

He thew a strop at being subbed and he was 15. He'd been shit in that game and lost the ball every time he got it by dribbling up blind alleys. Bolton came on and was far more effective. I posted about Sancho's progress after the Cup final. Nothing to do with that one game. It was about his development and the coaching. Diaz as well. They both hold onto the ball too much and dribble up dead ends for no reason. They're being indulged. Foden releases the ball quickly and you can see how the first team players give him the ball in tight situations. He lacks a bit of muscle at the second ball but he puts the other youth lads in the shade. Diaz gets it and loses it because he tries to dribble through a crowd. He won't make it unless he learns to get his head up and see a pass. I don't care how good people on here think he is. The odd spectacular goal won't make up for all the times he loses the ball. He does the same thing at junior level. Sancho's a lost cause at City. They should just let him go and move on. He's a kid. He's not that big a deal. More importantly they should be examining the coaching at youth level. They're too compliant with fancy dan players. We need Fodens, Smiths, Boltons, lads with skill and a bit of heart and an ability to play in a team. Nmecha maybe. Let Sancho go and be Billy BB somewhere else. Diaz too if he can't get his head up.

Oh, all the big mouths who had a go after the Cup final when I questioned the lad's poor progress ... where are they now? Sancho's getting pelters from other posters and no comment? Bad boy now, eh? Wants to leave City.

 

[Hamsterdam95]

Stopped reading when you said there should be no assassination. The kid did it himself when he started refusing to train and ignoring phone calls from the club. You don't do that to any club as someone who has done fuck all in the pro game. Even as a pro you don't do that. Look at how Sanchez is pushing for his move, even how Sterling got his. There's a manner in how you act.

Maybe Sancho should fake a cold aswell and not show up to training. As long as he is following the Sterling method, he should also call out Pep and the club aswell. The point is he hasn't done anything that warrants the character assassination. If you are going to call out Sancho, then don't cry when the media assassinates Sterling. This doesn't pertain to you, rather the masses which are going after Sancho.

 

[domalino]

Maybe Sancho should fake a cold aswell and not show up to training. As long as he is following the Sterling method, he should also call out Pep and the club aswell. The point is he hasn't done anything that warrants the character assassination. If you are going to call out Sancho, then don't cry when the media assassinates Sterling. This doesn't pertain to you, rather the masses which are going after Sancho.

He's stopped returning the club's phone calls and has stopped going to training whilst still a scholar here for another year.He does deserve plenty of criticism for that.

Sterling, on the other hand, missed a day's training with permission, while two clubs were negotiating for him, a completely different circumstance as you full well know.

A pretty embarrassing comparison to be honest, even from you.

 

[domalino]

We don't even know if there is a walkout. He might have been given time to think for all we know.

But in the past few seasons when people such as myself have mentioned about our kids bei g tapped up by others, due to our enemies being able to tempt them with promises of first team involvement, compared to our so far proven failure to bring though a single player, especially English ones & rarely even use such as a sub, for 5 minutes, the arrogant response has been that 'we have the best blah blah, nothing to worry about'.

Now we see kids we really want to keep, such as Tosin & Sancho being tempted by our enemies & still plenty of people can't see it.

Things need to change, fast.

I'm pretty sure @twosips has confirmed he walked out and has gone back to london without any permission, it's not just a rumour.

 

[Hamsterdam95]

He's stopped returning the club's phone calls and has stopped going to training whilst still a scholar here for another year.He does deserve plenty of criticism for that.

Sterling, on the other hand, missed a day's training with permission, while two clubs were negotiating for him, a completely different circumstance as you full well know.

A pretty embarrassing comparison to be honest, even from you.

Sancho is not under a professional contract, while Sterling actively missed a couple of days of training, did an interview without their permission and called the coach out. If you think Sancho warrants criticsm, then Sterling 100% deserves the boos he gets everywhere he goes. What he did was much more. But I wouldn't expect you to understand, if Hitler was a City fan, you would somehow rationalize him being a saint.

 

[WallyA]

Sancho is not under a professional contract, while Sterling actively missed a couple of days of training, did an interview without their permission and called the coach out. If you think Sancho warrants criticsm, then Sterling 100% deserves the boos he gets everywhere he goes. What he did was much more. But I wouldn't expect you to understand, if Hitler was a City fan, you would somehow rationalize him being a saint.

Your being a tad defensive and hyperbolic over this whole situation. Your bias comes through too much.

You are misinformed on Sterling situation, and have such a boner over youth players that you are completely okay with them abandoning their obligations to training with the club so they can force a leave.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I'm pretty sure @twosips has confirmed he walked out and has gone back to london without any permission, it's not just a rumour.

Fair enough, missed that. Badly advised then.

The rest still stands though. We need to change or this willl become routine.

 

[oldius]

There seems to be a lot of knowledge here over what's happening; a knowledge that isn't apparent in other threads. I have seen nothing anywhere, other than comments in this thread.

Where are people getting all the information from ?