Jadon Sancho

[BlueKolarovWorker]

In Pellegrini's case, most definitely.

But if you think 25 mins of Demichelis in midfield at 3-0 up, is good management, then I'm sure you'll disagree.

Wholeheartedly agree. It's not about filling the team full of inexperienced kids but allowing them the chance to shine and we've had dozens of opportunities over the last 3 to 4 years when we could have let them have 10-15 minutes and chose instead to simply keep the "squad" happy. I'm struggling to think of a time when we were coasting and the game was dying a little when I thought " I hope they bring Navas, Fernando or Delph on. That will liven it up".

We can bang on about how it's important to manage a squad of highly paid individuals but we then can't moan when a talented kid sees little opportunity for himself and chooses to move on instead.

I accept this is a more general point than specifically about Sancho but I, like everyone else on here is simply guessing at his motivation and I would prefer to believe that it's more about opportunity than money, in view on what we believe is on the table from City.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Wholeheartedly agree. It's not about filling the team full of inexperienced kids but allowing them the chance to shine and we've had dozens of opportunities over the last 3 to 4 years when we could have let them have 10-15 minutes and chose instead to simply keep the "squad" happy. I'm struggling to think of a time when we were coasting and the game was dying a little when I thought " I hope they bring Navas, Fernando or Delph on. That will liven it up".

We can bang on about how it's important to manage a squad of highly paid individuals but we then can't moan when a talented kid sees little opportunity for himself and chooses to move on instead.

I accept this is a more general point than specifically about Sancho but I, like everyone else on here is simply guessing at his motivation and I would prefer to believe that it's more about opportunity than money, in view on what we believe is on the table from City.

Whatever the reason, if our pulling power was as good & our situation as comfortable as many on here suggsst, we wouldn't have to fight to keep these kids, they would be desperate to stay.

There was yet another thread on the main forum, mentioning a piece on the radio, full of rag infestation, targeting our academy.

I don't actually hate to say 'I told you so' to some of the blasé characters on here, who are matching rags for arrogance in the way they think we can do exactly what the fuck we want & still come out smelling of roses, because we have some shiny new buildings at the academy & we don't have to worry about giving kids incentives, they will crawl over broken glass just to sit in our academy changing rooms.

Well they won't & we are under the predicted attack from our bitter enemy & others.

A few subs games from Foden etc a few more nice words from Pep, & the problem largely goes away. It really is that easy.

And it's an absolute scandal that people such as Pellegrini, let it become a problem.

 

[Bpughh]

Whatever the reason, if our pulling power was as good & our situation as comfortable as many on here suggsst, we wouldn't have to fight to keep these kids, they would be desperate to stay.

There was yet another thread on the main forum, mentioning a piece on the radio, full of rag infestation, targeting our academy.

I don't actually hate to say 'I told you so' to some of the blasé characters on here, who are matching rags for arrogance in the way they think we can do exactly what the fuck we want & still come out smelling of roses, because we have some shiny new buildings at the academy & we don't have to worry about giving kids incentives, they will crawl over broken glass just to sit in our academy changing rooms.

Well they won't & we are under the predicted attack from our bitter enemy & others.

A few subs games from Foden etc a few more nice words from Pep, & the problem largely goes away. It really is that easy.

And it's an absolute scandal that people such as Pellegrini, let it become a problem.

Pelegrín gets too much stick. The squad was massive. He was under pressure. He did no worse than previous managers. The best opportunity is now. Our squad is small yet strong. Let tosin, brahim and foden fill the gaps. If we kept kolarov and could snag Sanchez/Mbappe that would've been a complete squad

 

[BlueKolarovWorker]

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Whatever the reason, if our pulling power was as good & our situation as comfortable as many on here suggsst, we wouldn't have to fight to keep these kids, they would be desperate to stay.

There was yet another thread on the main forum, mentioning a piece on the radio, full of rag infestation, targeting our academy.

I don't actually hate to say 'I told you so' to some of the blasé characters on here, who are matching rags for arrogance in the way they think we can do exactly what the fuck we want & still come out smelling of roses, because we have some shiny new buildings at the academy & we don't have to worry about giving kids incentives, they will crawl over broken glass just to sit in our academy changing rooms.

Well they won't & we are under the predicted attack from our bitter enemy & others.

A few subs games from Foden etc a few more nice words from Pep, & the problem largely goes away. It really is that easy.

And it's an absolute scandal that people such as Pellegrini, let it become a problem.

In every industry there are companies that are viewed as excellent training grounds but aren't the place to stay when you grow up, either because the wages stay low or opportunities to develop beyond a certain level are limited. When I worked in insurance in the 80s and 90s, it used to be CIS in Manchester and they seemed happy to train and then lose people to keep their overall costs low.

I refuse to believe that for those that have the talent and desire to be part of City's future, money will be the reason for leaving. It will almost always only be be down to the lack of opportunity, whether that is real of perceived. There simply has to be a path into the first team to keep the better youngsters.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Wholeheartedly agree. It's not about filling the team full of inexperienced kids but allowing them the chance to shine and we've had dozens of opportunities over the last 3 to 4 years when we could have let them have 10-15 minutes and chose instead to simply keep the "squad" happy. I'm struggling to think of a time when we were coasting and the game was dying a little when I thought " I hope they bring Navas, Fernando or Delph on. That will liven it up".

We can bang on about how it's important to manage a squad of highly paid individuals but we then can't moan when a talented kid sees little opportunity for himself and chooses to move on instead.

I accept this is a more general point than specifically about Sancho but I, like everyone else on here is simply guessing at his motivation and I would prefer to believe that it's more about opportunity than money, in view on what we believe is on the table from City.

You make it sound as though 'keeping the squad happy' was a trifling irrelevance. So what do you do when, given your reliance on said squad, fringe players such as Navas, Fernando et al, start beating a path to your door wanting to leave cos their match day opportunities are impacted by a couple of kids filling bench spots every week? The truth probably lies somewhere in between, and as an aside our absolutely relentless stinking luck with cup draws hasn't helped our cause any

 

[cleavers]

And it's an absolute scandal that people such as Pellegrini, let it become a problem.

Is it not time to drop this bone ? You didn't like Pellegrini, we get it, we got it over a year ago.

Pep has been here over a year now, and has shown no great inclination to change it either.

 

[CC1]

He may not want immediate first team football. I doubt any Premier League team would give him assurances of immediate minutes.

However, Arsenal have a far better recent history of bringing through young players than we do - Iwobi, Coquelin, Bellerin, Reine-Adelaide, Maitland-Niles, Zelalem, Willock and Akpom all came through their youth system and got minutes last season.

He probably sees a better and quicker path to the first team there than he does here.

I'll be honest - not heard of some of them. How old were they when they got minutes last season & how long/often did they play?

 

[CC1]

Whatever the reason, if our pulling power was as good & our situation as comfortable as many on here suggsst, we wouldn't have to fight to keep these kids, they would be desperate to stay.

There was yet another thread on the main forum, mentioning a piece on the radio, full of rag infestation, targeting our academy.

I don't actually hate to say 'I told you so' to some of the blasé characters on here, who are matching rags for arrogance in the way they think we can do exactly what the fuck we want & still come out smelling of roses, because we have some shiny new buildings at the academy & we don't have to worry about giving kids incentives, they will crawl over broken glass just to sit in our academy changing rooms.

Well they won't & we are under the predicted attack from our bitter enemy & others.

A few subs games from Foden etc a few more nice words from Pep, & the problem largely goes away. It really is that easy.

And it's an absolute scandal that people such as Pellegrini, let it become a problem.

You make it sound as if they're queuing up to leave. On the contrary I think. Although we have, indeed, let some go - for good reason I suspect and I doubt the ones we have let go will have made it since at Chelsea or Arsenal!

 

[CC1]

If he does go there, I reckon his name'll be on the team sheet before it's on his shirt.

They wouldn't be able to resist the temptation of making some kind of childish point.

Quite. They need to get in top 4 this year & no kids will get a chance

 

[CityStu]

I'll be honest - not heard of some of them. How old were they when they got minutes last season & how long/often did they play?

CBA looking in detail (unless you're desperate) but the latter 5 were 18-21 and got minutes/games in cups. They are nobodies at the moment, but a very talented 16/17 year old in Arsenal's academy will see that he's likely to get a shot in a few seasons and the former 3 show that he can become a semi-regular if he impresses.

We, at City, are utterly shit at that first step of giving good academy players the odd minute here or there.

 

[CC1]

CBA looking in detail (unless you're desperate) but the latter 5 were 18-21 and got minutes/games in cups. They are nobodies at the moment, but a very talented 16/17 year old in Arsenal's academy will see that he's likely to get a shot in a few seasons and the former 3 show that he can become a semi-regular if he impresses.

We, at City, are utterly shit at that first step of giving good academy players the odd minute here or there.

So - like us - they don't play 16/17 year old kids "for a few seasons". What you have said revArsenal is no better than anything we can offer now that some quality kids are coming through.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Is it not time to drop this bone ? You didn't like Pellegrini, we get it, we got it over a year ago.

Pep has been here over a year now, and has shown no great inclination to change it either.

Pep has been here one season and improved considerably on Pelligrini, in spite of being new to the league.

I think it's easy enough to gather from my posts on this subject, that I'm expecting something of an improvement in that regard.

Pellegrini was a disaster for young players at City.

 

[Neville Kneville]

You make it sound as if they're queuing up to leave. On the contrary I think. Although we have, indeed, let some go - for good reason I suspect and I doubt the ones we have let go will have made it since at Chelsea or Arsenal!

You will never know, or care.

 

[CityStu]

So - like us - they don't play 16/17 year old kids "for a few seasons". What you have said revArsenal is no better than anything we can offer now that some quality kids are coming through.

No, they play kids when they're 18-21 and we don't play kids at all.

Sancho's had his head turned at 16/17 because he can see a much quicker path to a first team elsewhere. That quicker path is hanging on for a season or two, rather than being loaned out for 2/3 seasons and having the odd preseason minute to try and make an impact.

 

[bugsyblue]

Is it not time to drop this bone ? You didn't like Pellegrini, we get it, we got it over a year ago.

Pep has been here over a year now, and has shown no great inclination to change it either.

Until Pep decides a cripple is a better option that a young kid who cemented his position at a CL club and won young player of the season then I have to back Neville K. Pep hasn't done anything of note, I agree, but he hasn't yet done anything incredibly stupid either. So, from that perspective, he's already better than Pellers in relation to the kids.

 

[Neville Kneville]

No, they play kids when they're 18-21 and we don't play kids at all.

Sancho's had his head turned at 16/17 because he can see a much quicker path to a first team elsewhere. That quicker path is hanging on for a season or two, rather than being loaned out for 2/3 seasons and having the odd preseason minute to try and make an impact.

I'm still hoping that Pep's attitude towards Diaz & Foden remains the same when the real games arrive, & that Sancho will look at that & quietly return.

 

[CityStu]

I'm still hoping that Pep's attitude towards Diaz & Foden remains the same when the real games arrive, & that Sancho will look at that & quietly return.

Same; until he's definitively gone I don't think he's a total lost cause. Maybe a question of whether Pep would be receptive to him returning, but then if he wasn't he'd probably have been sold by now given clubs are queuing up for him.

You're dead right in that giving the odd kid the odd minute here or there would make a world of difference. We've now got a smaller first team squad so hopefully those chances present themselves.

 

[CC1]

You will never know, or care.

Totally unnecessary to say I don't care. You must be feeling a bit on edge. I'd wager I've been "caring" about City for a lot longer than you could imagine. Which of my comments suggest I don't care simply because I don't agree with you.

 

[CC1]

No, they play kids when they're 18-21 and we don't play kids at all.

Sancho's had his head turned at 16/17 because he can see a much quicker path to a first team elsewhere. That quicker path is hanging on for a season or two, rather than being loaned out for 2/3 seasons and having the odd preseason minute to try and make an impact.

Please - this is only your opinion based on what you have read on social media - the club have not commented & neither has Sancho. What's the difference between waiting for 2/3 seasons at another club? Either way he won't play for a top first team. Much better to be loaned out meanwhile & prove that you've got the guts & character - as well as the skill - to succeed.

 

[bugsyblue]

Please - this is only your opinion based on what you have read on social media - the club have not commented & neither has Sancho. What's the difference between waiting for 2/3 seasons at another club? Either way he won't play for a top first team. Much better to be loaned out meanwhile & prove that you've got the guts & character - as well as the skill - to succeed.

The same was probably said to Pogba.