Neville Kneville
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Best hope Bobby Duncan doesn't make it at Liverpool.
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Jadon Sancho
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Best hope Bobby Duncan doesn't make it at Liverpool.
Jason Sancho never was our academy product in the first place. We're in an era where clubs now start hoovering up other clubs' best academy prospects at 14, 15, 16. Not sure there's much more pride to be had out of integrating a player like that into your team than there is buying one at 18 or 19 to be honest. When you're picking players up in that way, you can lose them just as easily as they will never command the same level of loyalty or love for the club as someone like Foden.
He'd be getting minutes this season if he'd stayed with us. He's ambitious and impatient though and he wanted more than we could offer. He's made a good decision for himself but that doesn't mean us promising him a disproportionate number of minutes would have been a good solution for us either.
It's a shame he's slipped through our fingers but to me it's just a case of a player potentially having the right level of ability to make it here, but in the wrong position at the wrong time and with a set of requirements incompatible with that of the club.
At 18 years old at a club of our standing, getting all the league cup games, some fa cup games and occasional premier league minutes is a great starting point and it's the best we can do. It isn't going to change. Players can stick around or they can leave, it's up to them. Either way, we'll get over it.
I don't think he was ever in love with the club and im pretty sure Dortmund will also find out soon enough that they won't command much loyalty from him either.
Wouldn't even bring the likes of Barker or Roberts into the conversation. They are not ever going to reach a level that's good enough for where we're at.
He'd be getting minutes this season if he'd stayed with us. He's ambitious and impatient though and he wanted more than we could offer. He's made a good decision for himself but that doesn't mean us promising him a disproportionate number of minutes would have been a good solution for us either.
It's a shame he's slipped through our fingers but to me it's just a case of a player potentially having the right level of ability to make it here, but in the wrong position at the wrong time and with a set of requirements incompatible with that of the club.
At 18 years old at a club of our standing, getting all the league cup games, some fa cup games and occasional premier league minutes is a great starting point and it's the best we can do. It isn't going to change. Players can stick around or they can leave, it's up to them. Either way, we'll get over it.
I don't think he was ever in love with the club and im pretty sure Dortmund will also find out soon enough that they won't command much loyalty from him either.
Wouldn't even bring the likes of Barker or Roberts into the conversation. They are not ever going to reach a level that's good enough for where we're at.
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Most teams who have been successful over the years have also had a decent policy of bringing through young players, including Pep's Barca. And us, in all of our periods of relative success, in all our history, prior to the takeover. We were known for it.
We allowed Pellegrini to completely disrespect that tradition & it has most likely cost us several young players we wanted to keep.
Pep's recent actions with Foden etc, plus kids playing some high profile games last season, is close to being a decent balance. Unfortunately, Pellegrini had already ruined our best crop of youngsters for decades, prior to Pep arriving & rather than handing over a collection of possible squad players for his first season, handed him a bunch of mostly aimless drifters with no confidence.
Because we love Pep, lets blame Pellegrini.
While Pep is here the club lost 4 of the best talents the club have produced in the last 8 years.
Sancho, Diaz & Maffeo while he only will succeed to keep Foden.
Pep is the best manager ever, but he like to play it safe and buy established players instead of taking some risk on exceptional young talents.
Do City take any credit for his development? When the academy helps develop a player that can hold his own at the top level of the game shouldn't the club/clubs involved get some of the kudos?
Kudos off who? Why would anyone else even care? Are Watford getting credit for the seven years he spent there? We got £8m for him which is quite nice though I suppose.
Newman Noggs
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While Pep is here the club lost 4 of the best talents the club have produced in the last 8 years.
Which "4" ?
Kudos off who? Why would anyone else even care? Are Watford getting credit for the seven years he spent there? We got £8m for him which is quite nice though I suppose.
Just a general point mate, kudos from within the game. Any academy's primary function is to ready young footballers for senior football, if you are succesful in that then credit should come your way, whether that player makes it at the club in which he's an academy player or elsewhere.
And yes, I would extend kudos to Watford too for the role they played in his development.
Just a general point mate, kudos from within the game. Any academy's primary function is to ready young footballers for senior football, if you are succesful in that then credit should come your way, whether that player makes it at the club in which he's an academy player or elsewhere.
And yes, I would extend kudos to Watford too for the role they played in his development.
I don't think we generally see big clubs getting much credit from anyone else for bringing people through these days. As far as Sancho is concerned we cherry picked another club's best prospect when he was clearly already on his way to achieve great things. We kept him on track for a couple of years but i'm not sure we need any validation from anyone else. We got £8m which is probably reward enough for the part we played in his development.
Seems like lots of our fans are taking it as swipe at the club if the press big him up. It's an exciting and unusual breakthrough from an english perspective and the press are going to talk about him. From what I can see, the most of the criticism on this issue has come from our own fans, not the press. I think everyone just needs to move on rather than expecting any credit to come our way or taking it so personally if the press talk about him.
There's a Daily Mail article saying that Sancho's new contract tripled his wages to £57k per week, suggesting he signed for them on £19k per week.
It's also been widely reported that City's final offer on the table to him was £30k per week.
Even if you don't take the figures as gospel, I'd say it's very likely that he moved to Dortmund for a lower wage than City had offered.
So your source is the Daily Mail.
Because we love Pep, lets blame Pellegrini.
While Pep is here the club lost 4 of the best talents the club have produced in the last 8 years.
Sancho, Diaz & Maffeo while he only will succeed to keep Foden.
Pep is the best manager ever, but he like to play it safe and buy established players instead of taking some risk on exceptional young talents.
Instead of playing the blame game why don't you wait and see how the players careers develop. Only then can it be judged as a mistake.