Jadon Sancho

CityStu said:
And again, I don't think Sancho should have been given assurances of game time.

But he's left because others who deserved chances didn't get them and he didn't want to join that roster.

He's gone and there are other fish in the sea, but we'll lose them too unless we start to integrate some kids.
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I still have fond memories of MP and especially his first season in charge but he was eventually a disaster on two counts: managing Yaya / central midfield (still have nightmares of him ambling around in a midfield two) and handling of youth players, in contrast to his reputation prior to joining us.

Mancini for all his flaws was a bit more open to young untested platers: Hart, Balotelli, Micah Richards, Adam Johnson or Nastasic, and MP's handling of the last named should have been a warning.
 
asaluttar said:
That statement just underlines why we lost Sanchi.
Dortmund are top of the bundesliga, and top of their champions league group.
They are ahead of, and just beat Bayern - both teams have schooled us in recent years.

If a 17 year old is good enough for them, he is good enough for us.
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What do you mean they are ahead of us? We are quite possibly the best team on the planet right now.
 
CityStu said:
I don't criticise City for not playing Sancho, or for not guaranteeing him games.

However I believe his departure was caused by City's terrible record of giving opportunities to players between 18 and 21 who've come through the academy.

Sancho is a result of that mismanagement and we need to learn from it IMO.
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And how many clubs with a shout at serious trophies [or clubs with serious problems for that matter] turn to players in their teen years? Managers jobs and clubs own fortunes can rest on a tightrope and that's the very nature of the status of the Premier League. Just be thankful that these kids are getting 'minutes' instead of games because every club is at it.
 
kiam06 said:
Exactly. The more they hype this kid the bigger our 15% sell on when he goes.

This is where the media 'let's beat City stick' actually helps us :)
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We don't have a sell on,so,unless we take the rumoured 'first refusal' option,it helps nothing.
 
asaluttar said:
I still have fond memories of MP and especially his first season in charge but he was eventually a disaster on two counts: managing Yaya / central midfield (still have nightmares of him ambling around in a midfield two) and handling of youth players, in contrast to his reputation prior to joining us.

Mancini for all his flaws was a bit more open to young untested platers: Hart, Balotelli, Micah Richards, Adam Johnson or Nastasic, and MP's handling of the last named should have been a warning.
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Always thought we'd regret giving up on Nastasic. Granted I don't think he's set the world alight at Schalke but when he debuted at the Bernabeu I thought he'd be shoring up the backline for the next 15 years

I suppose that back header to Joe Hart against Chelsea the following year didn't exactly help his case...
 
I'm no cynic but... said:
And how many clubs with a shout at serious trophies [or clubs with serious problems for that matter] turn to players in their teen years? Managers jobs and clubs own fortunes can rest on a tightrope and that's the very nature of the status of the Premier League. Just be thankful that these kids are getting 'minutes' instead of games because every club is at it.
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Most teams who have been successful over the years have also had a decent policy of bringing through young players, including Pep's Barca. And us, in all of our periods of relative success, in all our history, prior to the takeover. We were known for it.

We allowed Pellegrini to completely disrespect that tradition & it has most likely cost us several young players we wanted to keep.

Pep's recent actions with Foden etc, plus kids playing some high profile games last season, is close to being a decent balance. Unfortunately, Pellegrini had already ruined our best crop of youngsters for decades, prior to Pep arriving & rather than handing over a collection of possible squad players for his first season, handed him a bunch of mostly aimless drifters with no confidence.
 
I’m fed up of hearing about Sancho, don’t get me wrong, I wish the lad all the success in the world but it’s all about rubbing our faces in it with the continuous coverage of him.. He’s moved on, we’ve moved on, happy days ...!
 
Jason Sancho never was our academy product in the first place. We're in an era where clubs now start hoovering up other clubs' best academy prospects at 14, 15, 16. Not sure there's much more pride to be had out of integrating a player like that into your team than there is buying one at 18 or 19 to be honest. When you're picking players up in that way, you can lose them just as easily as they will never command the same level of loyalty or love for the club as someone like Foden.

He'd be getting minutes this season if he'd stayed with us. He's ambitious and impatient though and he wanted more than we could offer. He's made a good decision for himself but that doesn't mean us promising him a disproportionate number of minutes would have been a good solution for us either.

It's a shame he's slipped through our fingers but to me it's just a case of a player potentially having the right level of ability to make it here, but in the wrong position at the wrong time and with a set of requirements incompatible with that of the club.

At 18 years old at a club of our standing, getting all the league cup games, some fa cup games and occasional premier league minutes is a great starting point and it's the best we can do. It isn't going to change. Players can stick around or they can leave, it's up to them. Either way, we'll get over it.

I don't think he was ever in love with the club and im pretty sure Dortmund will also find out soon enough that they won't command much loyalty from him either.

Wouldn't even bring the likes of Barker or Roberts into the conversation. They are not ever going to reach a level that's good enough for where we're at.
 
Do City take any credit for his development? When the academy helps develop a player that can hold his own at the top level of the game shouldn't the club/clubs involved get some of the kudos?
 
Neville Kneville said:
Most teams who have been successful over the years have also had a decent policy of bringing through young players, including Pep's Barca. And us, in all of our periods of relative success, in all our history, prior to the takeover. We were known for it.

We allowed Pellegrini to completely disrespect that tradition & it has most likely cost us several young players we wanted to keep.

Pep's recent actions with Foden etc, plus kids playing some high profile games last season, is close to being a decent balance. Unfortunately, Pellegrini had already ruined our best crop of youngsters for decades, prior to Pep arriving & rather than handing over a collection of possible squad players for his first season, handed him a bunch of mostly aimless drifters with no confidence.
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Because we love Pep, lets blame Pellegrini.


While Pep is here the club lost 4 of the best talents the club have produced in the last 8 years.

Sancho, Diaz & Maffeo while he only will succeed to keep Foden.


Pep is the best manager ever, but he like to play it safe and buy established players instead of taking some risk on exceptional young talents.
 
Rolee said:
Do City take any credit for his development? When the academy helps develop a player that can hold his own at the top level of the game shouldn't the club/clubs involved get some of the kudos?
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Kudos off who? Why would anyone else even care? Are Watford getting credit for the seven years he spent there? We got £8m for him which is quite nice though I suppose.
 
Mon Autre said:
Kudos off who? Why would anyone else even care? Are Watford getting credit for the seven years he spent there? We got £8m for him which is quite nice though I suppose.
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Just a general point mate, kudos from within the game. Any academy's primary function is to ready young footballers for senior football, if you are succesful in that then credit should come your way, whether that player makes it at the club in which he's an academy player or elsewhere.

And yes, I would extend kudos to Watford too for the role they played in his development.
 
Rolee said:
Just a general point mate, kudos from within the game. Any academy's primary function is to ready young footballers for senior football, if you are succesful in that then credit should come your way, whether that player makes it at the club in which he's an academy player or elsewhere.

And yes, I would extend kudos to Watford too for the role they played in his development.
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I don't think we generally see big clubs getting much credit from anyone else for bringing people through these days. As far as Sancho is concerned we cherry picked another club's best prospect when he was clearly already on his way to achieve great things. We kept him on track for a couple of years but i'm not sure we need any validation from anyone else. We got £8m which is probably reward enough for the part we played in his development.

Seems like lots of our fans are taking it as swipe at the club if the press big him up. It's an exciting and unusual breakthrough from an english perspective and the press are going to talk about him. From what I can see, the most of the criticism on this issue has come from our own fans, not the press. I think everyone just needs to move on rather than expecting any credit to come our way or taking it so personally if the press talk about him.
 
CityStu said:
There's a Daily Mail article saying that Sancho's new contract tripled his wages to £57k per week, suggesting he signed for them on £19k per week.

It's also been widely reported that City's final offer on the table to him was £30k per week.

Even if you don't take the figures as gospel, I'd say it's very likely that he moved to Dortmund for a lower wage than City had offered.
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So your source is the Daily Mail.
 
Tevez City said:
Because we love Pep, lets blame Pellegrini.


While Pep is here the club lost 4 of the best talents the club have produced in the last 8 years.

Sancho, Diaz & Maffeo while he only will succeed to keep Foden.


Pep is the best manager ever, but he like to play it safe and buy established players instead of taking some risk on exceptional young talents.
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Instead of playing the blame game why don't you wait and see how the players careers develop. Only then can it be judged as a mistake.
 
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