Jadon Sancho

[Ezzy]

There is a big difference in giving a couple of kids each year a chance to buying 17 kids for our full squad!

is there an acceptable limit? for each year?

or?

 

[Sir peace frog]

people are that despearate to get our academy players in they are becoming blinkered,we aren't a 4th division team where the jump from academy to first team is small, we are probably up there with the top 5 teams in world football,every position has to be filled with world class talent,our back ups have to be on or pretty near the first team level,now to expect our academy lads to be able to slot into that set up is nearly impossible,the ones we think have a chance get kept and are given game time, sancho was offered a new contract ,he refused so we had no other option but to sell, if I'm honest i wouldn't give a fuck if an academy player never got a first team outing, i hope one would ,but at the city academy we give them a world class education into football, some will go on to be world beaters most wont, but every single one of them will have the skillset and hopefully the attitude to build a decent career.

a successful first team or 11 city academy players struggling, easy choice, people want academy players in to build an identity wtf,the only identity i want for city is a club that wants to win everything all the time,not a pretty bunch of young lads who might be good enough in two years.

 

[CWMCFC]

I notice a few of the people preaching in here about our failure with giving our youth a chance are the same one crying at the prospect of City buying mostly teenagers this summer...

"how do you expect us to challenge with teenagers..?"
"Football Manager..."

We Keep On Preaching.

I think it's less to do with the premise and more that no one actually believes what you've been peddling for the last month.

 

[g180aj]

Remember we arent just buying a player here, we are also making our squad 1 player bigger.

We have zero club trained players at the club right now. That means our squad is limited to 17 foreign players, 4 homegrown players and u21s.

If we buy Sancho, he becomes a club trained player when he turns 21 and we have one of those club trained positions filled for as long as he stays here.

Just think of all the bullshit in the transfer market in recent summers because the club needed to sell a foreign player before buying, or we wanted a position filled but they had to be the one english player good enough because we already had our 17 foreign players.

There is a very real and significant £ value to Sancho being club trained.

Thsts before I even start on the fact we have an opportunity to get a player for under the market value. If hes worth 90m or 100m or 150m to United or Liverpool or Real Madrid, we can get him for 15-20% less thanks to that sell on clause, and because of our matching clause, we cant be drawn into a bidding war.

I make it that he has been at the club for 28-29 months and he would need to be here for 36 to be club trained. His birthday is March so he would need to be signed by the end of July to be club trained or even hom grown for any English team.

 

[domalino]

I make it that he has been at the club for 28-29 months and he would need to be here for 36 to be club trained. His birthday is March so he would need to be signed by the end of July to be club trained or even hom grown for any English team.

A “club-trained player” is defined as a player who, between the age of 15 and 21, irrespective of their age or nationality, has been registered with their current club for a period, continuous or non-continuous, of three seasons or of 36 months between the ages of 15 and 21.​

Sancho would be registered in the 15/16, 16/17 and 20/21 seasons. It doesn't have to be 36 months.

 

[g180aj]

is there an acceptable limit? for each year?

or?

Transitioning a couple of youth players around senior professionals instead of a team of teenagers, I would say a big difference.

 

[g180aj]

A “club-trained player” is defined as a player who, between the age of 15 and 21, irrespective of their age or nationality, has been registered with their current club for a period, continuous or non-continuous, of three seasons or of 36 months between the ages of 15 and 21.​

Sancho would be registered in the 15/16, 16/17 and 20/21 seasons. It doesn't have to be 36 months.

He signed in the march when he turned 15 so it shouldn't be a problem as long as we can get it sorted quickly after the CAS decision.

 

[domalino]

He signed in the march when he turned 15 so it shouldn't be a problem as long as we can get it sorted quickly after the CAS decision.

It doesn't matter. He was registered in the 15/16 season from March onwards and that counts as a season, and he'll be registered next season.

Also the months extend until the end of the season you turn 21, so even if it were about the months instead of seasons, he's got until June 30th 2021 to accrue eligible months.

 

[Ezzy]

Transitioning a couple of youth players around senior professionals instead of a team of teenagers, I would say a big difference.

So 2 is the limit per year you set.

we have 5 academy players ready to "Transition around senior professionals" next season.

what do we do with the other 3? if they don't want to go on loan?

 

[Blu3m00n91]

a successful first team or 11 city academy players struggling, easy choice, people want academy players in to build an identity wtf,the only identity i want for city is a club that wants to win everything all the time,not a pretty bunch of young lads who might be good enough in two years.


No one is asking for a 1-11 of full academy players. They just want too see the ones who have promise to be given opportunities. Sancho was ready to step up and the club was actively trying to sign Alexis and Mahrez, we’ve spent about 200 million on shit defenders when we’ve got kids are better. And potentially we could spend 100+ plus on our academy player cause we’ve realised if you actually give them a chance look how good they can be. Shocking right??

 

[richards30]

the academy is always going to run more like a business than a team maker! yes we hope there will be the odd gem who comes through but its purpose is to bring the best kids in from around the world, train them, teach them but if they dont quite make the grade sell them at a healthy profit on what you have invested in them?

 

[the_tevez_wiggle]

is there an acceptable limit? for each year?

or?

That's a lazy arguement mate. We have a squad with "useful" players or past their best. Bravo and nico are done.
Angelino is only good enough if we play 3 cbs.
Zinchenko is an average lb and not good enough to challenge phil, Ken and bernado.
Gundogan decent dm not what we need as am.
Sane wants out
Silva retiring
Mahrez personally I believe isnt what we need.
Stones not consistent
Mendy injury threat
Cancelo wants out.
Kun & ferna 1 more season

That's 13 of our main squad. Yes foden, garcia & braaf can replace some but we also need a bit of experience and leadership dotted about.
Personally we never needed Danilo or cancelo walker is reliable and maffeo could have covered as could the lad who went to celtic.
We didnt need to chase Sanchez when we had sane, sterling, bernado & sancho.
But we do need a leader at the back. Koulibaly should take that spot and if we could pick up alaba then teenagers everywhere else is fine. Our kids are coming through now with doyle, thb, palmer, delap, Roger's, etc. But if we buy a load of teenagers where is the pathway into the team for our own kids?

 

[g180aj]

So 2 is the limit per year you set.

we have 5 academy players ready to "Transition around senior professionals" next season.

what do we do with the other 3? if they don't want to go on loan?

Who are the 5?

 

[Ezzy]

Who are the 5?

answer the question.

what do we do with the other 3? if they don't want to go on loan?

Transitioning a couple of youth players around senior professionals instead of a team of teenagers, I would say a big difference.

 

[hcblue95]

answer the question.

what do we do with the other 3? if they don't want to go on loan?

How's he going to answer the question if you're not saying who the 5 are?

 

[Sir peace frog]

a successful first team or 11 city academy players struggling, easy choice, people want academy players in to build an identity wtf,the only identity i want for city is a club that wants to win everything all the time,not a pretty bunch of young lads who might be good enough in two years.


No one is asking for a 1-11 of full academy players. They just want too see the ones who have promise to be given opportunities. Sancho was ready to step up and the club was actively trying to sign Alexis and Mahrez, we’ve spent about 200 million on shit defenders when we’ve got kids are better. And potentially we could spend 100+ plus on our academy player cause we’ve realised if you actually give them a chance look how good they can be. Shocking right??

we were trying to get him to sign a new contract according to those in the know, and we were trying to sign sanchez OR mahrez, he would of got game time to prove what he could do,and if he had showed his dortmond form he would of been a regular ive no doubt about that.

who gives a fuck where they come from or how much they cost as long as they make city stronger.
i would love an academy player to make it as a first team regular ,but not over success, we have to trust pep and the coaches,they see what a player is really like,what he can and cant do that will fit into the team,the team is the most important thing at the club,its like sane,there no doubting the lads talent,however he mustn't do what pep asked of him, that why pep used to go spare,


koubily or garcia next to laporte next season ?

as for shit defenders ? whose been shit ,or has it been the system exposing them ? maybe they aren't up to our standard with hindsight but i cant think of one defender we have bought that isnt better than garcia AT THE MOMENT.

 

[g180aj]

answer the question.

what do we do with the other 3? if they don't want to go on loan?

That would be dependant on the current squad and the players themselves, I would give them the option of being in and around the first team with an opportunity to force there way into the line-up and at least play in the under 23's or go out on loan and get expierience and come back and fight for a place.

 

[Ezzy]

That would be dependant on the current squad and the players themselves, I would give them the option of being in and around the first team with an opportunity to force there way into the line-up and at least play in the under 23's or go out on loan and get expierience and come back and fight for a place.

Transitioning a couple of youth players around senior professionals instead of a team of teenagers, I would say a big difference.

So 5 Players are ready for a Transition. But you say that You want to only transition "a couple" of them.

So if the rest of them that miss out on bieng Transitionned won't go on loan(for whatever reason) what do you do with them?

 

[cjn]

So 5 Players are ready for a Transition. But you say that You want to only transition "a couple" of them.

So if the rest of them that miss out on bieng Transitionned won't go on loan(for whatever reason) what do you do with them?

I feel like you're having a completely separate conversation. What do you do with the guys who aren't good enough? The same thing everyone else does. Either get them a loan or sell them on, preferably with a buyback, or failing both of those they stay sharp with the EDS and wait. The point isn't even that we need to bring guys through, maybe only one or two every few years are good enough for that, it's that we need to give opportunities because doing so has real and significant long term competitive advantages.

 

[daztrueblue91]

Tbh, it's also simply a failure if we're letting future £100m+ (potentially) worth class home-grown assets slip out of our hands. In a pure business sense, that's not good.

These players are only worth £100m+ if they get the right development. Sancho was worth nothing like that amount when he left and whilst everyone knew he had potential, it’s the risk Dortmund took with him which has taken him to the next level.

We’ve got players like Bernardo, Jesus and Mahrez who cannot hold down a regular position in our side, a youngster like Sancho would have had no chance of progressing at the same rate as he currently has.

This isn’t a City problem though. It’s the football food chain. Look at the major trophy winning teams in Europe and how many of their stars came through their ranks?

The reality is that most top players gain regular first team football at a good European club before becoming their star player and moving to an elite team for major money.