Javi Garcia

[lancs blue]

Re: The excellent Javi Garcia ?

Pace is overrated. Its good to have of course but it gets alot of shit players out of trouble. Dobt be fooled into thinking a cb must be like JesusMcDavid navas-white.

I thought garcia had a good game.

Pace isn't the be all and end all for a CB by a long way but when a high defensive line is being used it helps. Fraizer Campbell is hardly a world class striker but he got behind Garcia a few times at Cardiff and Garcia couldn't really get back at him with his lack of pace.

 

[baildon blue]

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I still think we have a good player in Garcia .

 

[forevermancity]

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It was, until about halfway into the post and then I ran out of time :)

The replies are about as high quality as I expected on BlueMoon (setting yours aside, it made me laugh)

He made a fair few positional mistakes, as does Nastasic regularly, but both had good moments too, but neither should be 1st choice right now at a club like City.

Lescott has been a far better cb in his career so far than either of them but the constant undermining of his ability by both managers & the football public in general seems to be getting to him & he looks dodgy now.

First Mancini, & now Pellegrini, have jointly fucked up what was the best backline in the country by a long way. The way they snuffed out the rags to zero attempts on goal in our title season was immense. Why the fuck Mancini & Pellegrini have decided to dismantle that rather than build on it amazes me.

Now it's anybody's guess who will end up there. One thing Garcia does have over Nastasic is his aerial power, but he isn't always in the right position to use it. It's not impossible he could learn that though, but imo we need to find the best up & coming cb in the world, WITH PACE & break the bank to sign him rather than arsing about with these blokes.

If they then improve enough to claim 1st spot in the team, then fine but we should have truly exeptional players there like we have in most other positions.

Seemes bizarre we have world class players all over the pitch like Yaya, Silva, Aguero, etc etc then at centre back we have a kid & a defensive mid.

Stupid planning.

Sorry if this comes across wrong, had a few pints but da fucking fuck? Nastasic is far better than Lescott, blues all the match going blues I know would pick Nasty over Lescott.

And all the lads I go to matches with prefer lescott to nastasic, just goes to show its a game of opinions

 

[eversince 76]

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It's easy to rewatch a game and pick out mistakes from players on an individual basis. Even Aguerro, by far MOTM last Sats, made more than a few. Kompany is known worldwide for being one of the best CB's around at the moment AND for making one fairly big mistake in every match. They even name it "Doing a Kompany". Remember his 1st touch when we played the scum? There you go.

Anyway, Garcia did ok and the main plus for me was Nastasic and Garcia formed a partnership that looked much better than when we played Cardiff. Not ideal, not world class, just ok and a big improvement. When both play tonight, and they might do so, it won't worry me as much as it did a month ago. Than again, I always DO worry before a match.

 

[Dribble]

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he didnt put a foot wrong on saturday ... for once

And that quote is what will always be associated with Garcia, we're relieved when he doesn't fuck up.

A useful back up for now, but I still think we need solid competition / a direct replacement for Kompany for when he's unfit or needs a rest and I doubt Garcia is that man, but whilst he has the shirt he has the opportunity to prove many of us wrong which I hope he does.

 

[Academica]

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He made a fair few positional mistakes, as does Nastasic regularly, but both had good moments too, but neither should be 1st choice right now at a club like City.

Lescott has been a far better cb in his career so far than either of them but the constant undermining of his ability by both managers & the football public in general seems to be getting to him & he looks dodgy now.

First Mancini, & now Pellegrini, have jointly fucked up what was the best backline in the country by a long way. The way they snuffed out the rags to zero attempts on goal in our title season was immense. Why the fuck Mancini & Pellegrini have decided to dismantle that rather than build on it amazes me.

Now it's anybody's guess who will end up there. One thing Garcia does have over Nastasic is his aerial power, but he isn't always in the right position to use it. It's not impossible he could learn that though, but imo we need to find the best up & coming cb in the world, WITH PACE & break the bank to sign him rather than arsing about with these blokes.

If they then improve enough to claim 1st spot in the team, then fine but we should have truly exeptional players there like we have in most other positions.

Seemes bizarre we have world class players all over the pitch like Yaya, Silva, Aguero, etc etc then at centre back we have a kid & a defensive mid.

Stupid planning.

Sorry if this comes across wrong, had a few pints but da fucking fuck? Nastasic is far better than Lescott, blues all the match going blues I know would pick Nasty over Lescott.

And all the lads I go to matches with prefer lescott to nastasic, just goes to show its a game of opinions

You still on them trips from the blind club.

 

[The Chief]

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Sorry if this comes across wrong, had a few pints but da fucking fuck? Nastasic is far better than Lescott, blues all the match going blues I know would pick Nasty over Lescott.

And all the lads I go to matches with prefer lescott to nastasic, just goes to show its a game of opinions

You still on them trips from the blind club.

In fairness, I think Nastasic has been pretty poor this season. He's making too many risky/unnecessary challenges in dangerous areas and doesn't distribute the ball anywhere near as superiorly to Lescott as made out by some fans. Yes, Joleon's weak in the passing department but overall I'd play him at the moment. Again, jusy an opinion.

 

[route46]

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who do u think is are worst player??????

 

[NQCitizen]

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who do u think is are worst player??????

Right now - probably Lescott. Only really has strength going for him.

 

[Neville Kneville]

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Pace really shouldn't be the most important attribute in a centre back.

Who is the fastest CB in the league?

Who gives a shit ?

The main thing is that when someone runs at our unprotected cbs, instead of being left for dead, they can make a recovering tackle rather than being stranded, or make up the extra yard when someone like Ronaldo steps inside, rather than relying on Nigel DeJong or Barry, who are no longer at the club, to intercept.

Anyone who thinks this isn't an an enormous asset in a team with no defensive midfield cover, is ignoring the facts which are shown in football every week. Find a video of Nastasic v Sturridge from last season, then picture Thierry Henry v Nastasic/Garcia. He would take us to the fucking cleaners even if he played for Watford. Richards age 18, Dunne, Distin were better equipped to deal with such players 1v1 than our current cbs.

Right now, a lot of Prem strikers are average to shit & few are both quick & high quality. It won't always be the case & it won't be the case in Europe.

Watching Robben Ribery etc burn off our defence time & again should be evidence enough.

People in this country are forgetting what real defending is, both tactically & individually.

If a striker gets past you you've already lost. In most cases the attacker has the momentum and likely the defender has had to turn and run the other way.

Positioning and reading of the game are probably the most important attributes for any defender.

Richards may be able to chase better but he's way more likely to get done in the first place.

Positioning & reading of the game are of course key to defending, & neither Garcia nor Nastasic are especially good at either.

But when Richards played cb v Thiery Henry when he was younger than Nastasic, he did actually make covering tackles when initially wrong footed & was fantastic. Something neither Garcia nor Nastasic will ever do against such a player unless said player falls over/asleep long enough for them to get back.

Keith Curle, when fit, used to gamble playing offside high up the pitch v Dean Saunders & Gary Lineker, because he was so fast, he knew he could still catch them easily if it went wrong.

If we had fast defenders, the whole system would work much better.