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Javi Garcia
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Re: Javi Garcia (merged)
Now that is funny.
Firasdo said:I am glad we had Garcia and not Chiellini who was the main reason for Juventus defeat.
Now that is funny.
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Top quality post.
Marvin said:Reasoned comment at last.FromPollockToSilva said:Yesterday Garcia made 2 tackles, 3 interceptions, 9 clearances, 0 blocks and stepped up to play an opponent offside twice. He also conceded no fouls.
By way of comparison, Nastasic made 3 tackles (one of them a very important last man tackle), 2 interceptions, 3 clearances, 1 block and didn't catch anyone offside. He also conceded 3 fouls.
What these stats show is that Garcia put in a fairly decent stint. He wins a lot in the air, he routinely makes the most clearances when he plays and he doesn't concede stupid fouls as often as Nastastic.
What they don't show are the really poor lapses in concentration that led to very dangerous situations (and a goal) for the opposition, and right now those mistakes are happening too often and overshadow the decent (but by no means spectacular) job he otherwise does at centre-back.
What the professional critics in the media have failed to realise is that Lescott is very left footed and can not play on the right hand side of central defence. In short Lescott is Nasty's deputy at the moment, and Demichelis covers Kompany. City only have a problem in central defence in so much as both Kompany and Demichelis are injured.
And they also fail to grasp the importance of playing the ball out from central defence. For years Barcelona have played Mascherano in central defence.
Garcia is primarily a deep-lying central defender. How about he gets some credit for doing a job for the team?
Top quality post.
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Re: Javi Garcia (merged)
other teams eyes light up when they see Garcia in the defence
other teams eyes light up when they see Garcia in the defence
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Re: Javi Garcia (merged)
Watching last night's game...
None of our defenders played well (not including Hart who had a really good game) but the speed of their attacks saw our defenders either being caught out of position or simply not having the pace to catch them. Once Moscow knew this they saw our achilles heel and from that point on we always looked like we could concede despite some great attacking play. With a decent defence last night I think we would have won that game by a higher margin.
My problem with Garcia is that he's being judged for playing in a position which I honestly don't think he's suited for - his positional sense more than his speed constantly let him down. But I don't understand what Lescott has done to be treated so disrespectfully by Mancini and now Pellegrini - for him to have been watching last night must have been painful and he must realise that his days are numbered at the club. I think that Kompany will continue to pick up injuries (hope I'm wrong) and If Lescott (as our 3rd choice CB) was that much of a liability we should have got rid in the Summer and strengthened in this position with a cb that would serve us many years to come - not some ageing Argentinian as a last minute recruit.
I hope the club have some targets for January as we can't be putting square pegs in round holes for the rest of the season. Against better teams we will struggle.
Watching last night's game...
None of our defenders played well (not including Hart who had a really good game) but the speed of their attacks saw our defenders either being caught out of position or simply not having the pace to catch them. Once Moscow knew this they saw our achilles heel and from that point on we always looked like we could concede despite some great attacking play. With a decent defence last night I think we would have won that game by a higher margin.
My problem with Garcia is that he's being judged for playing in a position which I honestly don't think he's suited for - his positional sense more than his speed constantly let him down. But I don't understand what Lescott has done to be treated so disrespectfully by Mancini and now Pellegrini - for him to have been watching last night must have been painful and he must realise that his days are numbered at the club. I think that Kompany will continue to pick up injuries (hope I'm wrong) and If Lescott (as our 3rd choice CB) was that much of a liability we should have got rid in the Summer and strengthened in this position with a cb that would serve us many years to come - not some ageing Argentinian as a last minute recruit.
I hope the club have some targets for January as we can't be putting square pegs in round holes for the rest of the season. Against better teams we will struggle.
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Garcia is a decent player and nothing more. He is being unfairly judged on here as were Kolarov, Dzeko, Nasri and many others when we look back through our history.
I thought he had a decent game last night, at least as good as Nasty. He suffers in comparison with Kompany as he will never operate at that level, certainly not as a central defender. I prefer him to Joleon but that is just a personal preference, their level is very similar and I suspect Garcia is only chosen because of his ability to operate on the right side of central defence.
Manuel's man management is the reason for his continued support of Javi in my opinion. Public declarations of how good a central defender he is will do wonders for his confidence and his continuing place in the first team will do the same. It's the same with Joe; trusting your players is paramount in them delivering for you and I am confident that Javi will improve.
We don't really have a better alternative and that is the real problem. Kompany is almost irreplaceable in any World eleven and most players would struggle as his replacement.
Garcia is a decent player and nothing more. He is being unfairly judged on here as were Kolarov, Dzeko, Nasri and many others when we look back through our history.
I thought he had a decent game last night, at least as good as Nasty. He suffers in comparison with Kompany as he will never operate at that level, certainly not as a central defender. I prefer him to Joleon but that is just a personal preference, their level is very similar and I suspect Garcia is only chosen because of his ability to operate on the right side of central defence.
Manuel's man management is the reason for his continued support of Javi in my opinion. Public declarations of how good a central defender he is will do wonders for his confidence and his continuing place in the first team will do the same. It's the same with Joe; trusting your players is paramount in them delivering for you and I am confident that Javi will improve.
We don't really have a better alternative and that is the real problem. Kompany is almost irreplaceable in any World eleven and most players would struggle as his replacement.
NipHolmes
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Firstly Barcelona have a very high line with three lines of pressing and possession is strong. Mascherano is so many levels above Garcia it's untrue, that's why he can do a better job.
Barcelona only play him because Puyol has suffered with injuries and they've focused their budget on attacking talents like Fabregas, Sanchez and Neymar. They've look at defenders but only want world class, they've pursued our Kompany, Thiago Silva when he was at A.C as well as at PSG and Agger. Hummels being the latest to be linked. They look to buy defenders but only top quality ones, they buy players to fit their system of play. They could easily buy a CB but they are after a CB who can play out from the back and slot in at midfield when Iniesta and Xavi join attack. It stems from Holland total football. It's not some lazy half hearted decision.
You have also failed to take into consideration is that Barcelona play a three man midfield of Busquets, Iniesta and Xavi so a defense is always going to have less work because those three are as good as any in world football and they play in a league that's possession and strategy orientated. You comparing Mascherano of Barca to Garcia at City is apples and oranges. Garcia has to deal with more direct play and pacey counter attacks. Garcia would be screwed here (which he is) and Germany due to styles of play. Pace is his kryptonite.
Marvin said:Reasoned comment at last.FromPollockToSilva said:Yesterday Garcia made 2 tackles, 3 interceptions, 9 clearances, 0 blocks and stepped up to play an opponent offside twice. He also conceded no fouls.
By way of comparison, Nastasic made 3 tackles (one of them a very important last man tackle), 2 interceptions, 3 clearances, 1 block and didn't catch anyone offside. He also conceded 3 fouls.
What these stats show is that Garcia put in a fairly decent stint. He wins a lot in the air, he routinely makes the most clearances when he plays and he doesn't concede stupid fouls as often as Nastastic.
What they don't show are the really poor lapses in concentration that led to very dangerous situations (and a goal) for the opposition, and right now those mistakes are happening too often and overshadow the decent (but by no means spectacular) job he otherwise does at centre-back.
What the professional critics in the media have failed to realise is that Lescott is very left footed and can not play on the right hand side of central defence. In short Lescott is Nasty's deputy at the moment, and Demichelis covers Kompany. City only have a problem in central defence in so much as both Kompany and Demichelis are injured.
And they also fail to grasp the importance of playing the ball out from central defence. For years Barcelona have played Mascherano in central defence.
Garcia is primarily a deep-lying central defender. How about he gets some credit for doing a job for the team?
Firstly Barcelona have a very high line with three lines of pressing and possession is strong. Mascherano is so many levels above Garcia it's untrue, that's why he can do a better job.
Barcelona only play him because Puyol has suffered with injuries and they've focused their budget on attacking talents like Fabregas, Sanchez and Neymar. They've look at defenders but only want world class, they've pursued our Kompany, Thiago Silva when he was at A.C as well as at PSG and Agger. Hummels being the latest to be linked. They look to buy defenders but only top quality ones, they buy players to fit their system of play. They could easily buy a CB but they are after a CB who can play out from the back and slot in at midfield when Iniesta and Xavi join attack. It stems from Holland total football. It's not some lazy half hearted decision.
You have also failed to take into consideration is that Barcelona play a three man midfield of Busquets, Iniesta and Xavi so a defense is always going to have less work because those three are as good as any in world football and they play in a league that's possession and strategy orientated. You comparing Mascherano of Barca to Garcia at City is apples and oranges. Garcia has to deal with more direct play and pacey counter attacks. Garcia would be screwed here (which he is) and Germany due to styles of play. Pace is his kryptonite.
NipHolmes
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It's also a joke that people use Nastasic as a barometer for Garcia. One lad has CL exp at Benfica and a nearly a decade of playing time. The other is a break through player who has one season of Italian football and then moves to City and has only had a season here. Nastasic is learning his trade and yet he's a better option and can stake a claim for a starting place here.
The people that back Garcia could you answer this. If Garcia is to remain, who would you drop to start him, Yaya or Fernandinho? Would you choose him over a fit Milner or Rodwell? Would you choose him over DeMichellis?
If the answer is no to the above then why not save £4m a season in wages and claw back whatever we can in terms of a fee and sell him. If he cannot get into our team why the fuck is he being paid the same as Fernandinho, Negredo and Navas who do start?
It's also a joke that people use Nastasic as a barometer for Garcia. One lad has CL exp at Benfica and a nearly a decade of playing time. The other is a break through player who has one season of Italian football and then moves to City and has only had a season here. Nastasic is learning his trade and yet he's a better option and can stake a claim for a starting place here.
The people that back Garcia could you answer this. If Garcia is to remain, who would you drop to start him, Yaya or Fernandinho? Would you choose him over a fit Milner or Rodwell? Would you choose him over DeMichellis?
If the answer is no to the above then why not save £4m a season in wages and claw back whatever we can in terms of a fee and sell him. If he cannot get into our team why the fuck is he being paid the same as Fernandinho, Negredo and Navas who do start?
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On the bright side, Kompany is back now, as is Demichalis.
Garcia wont be in the starting 11 for a while now apart from when Pellers plays him CM against Newcastle next week in the cup.
Then hopefully he wont be near the team till after xmas at least.
On the bright side, Kompany is back now, as is Demichalis.
Garcia wont be in the starting 11 for a while now apart from when Pellers plays him CM against Newcastle next week in the cup.
Then hopefully he wont be near the team till after xmas at least.
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So you considder Lescott, a left-footed defender who can defend well but whenever on the ball doesn't have a clue, let alone what he does do with his right foot, a better option than Garcia? Garcia is better on the ball and has better awareness when -like Pellegrini wants- the backline play high upfield. Lescoot would have been usefull in the last 10 minutes of the game when we sat deep like we used to do in Mancini's days.
oldius said:Garcia is a decent player and nothing more. He is being unfairly judged on here as were Kolarov, Dzeko, Nasri and many others when we look back through our history.
I thought he had a decent game last night, at least as good as Nasty. He suffers in comparison with Kompany as he will never operate at that level, certainly not as a central defender. I prefer him to Joleon but that is just a personal preference, their level is very similar and I suspect Garcia is only chosen because of his ability to operate on the right side of central defence.
Manuel's man management is the reason for his continued support of Javi in my opinion. Public declarations of how good a central defender he is will do wonders for his confidence and his continuing place in the first team will do the same. It's the same with Joe; trusting your players is paramount in them delivering for you and I am confident that Javi will improve.
We don't really have a better alternative and that is the real problem. Kompany is almost irreplaceable in any World eleven and most players would struggle as his replacement.
So you considder Lescott, a left-footed defender who can defend well but whenever on the ball doesn't have a clue, let alone what he does do with his right foot, a better option than Garcia? Garcia is better on the ball and has better awareness when -like Pellegrini wants- the backline play high upfield. Lescoot would have been usefull in the last 10 minutes of the game when we sat deep like we used to do in Mancini's days.
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