Javi Garcia

[NipHolmes]

Said it in the Isco thread. The best thing we can do is loan him to Malaga as part of the Isco deal. It's a WC year so he can get the chance to shine (small chance but possible never the less) and off the back of a season we will get the chance to sell him on for better money than we can now as long as Malaga pay a fair chunk towards his wages, if not the best thing we can do is sell now and cut the loss.

Mancini has scouts out on Savic and Garcia yet missed the gems besides them both times in Nastasic and Wistel, laughable really isn't it.

Savic had a good season for Fiorentina and Montenegro

That's the problem with Mancini and his scouts right there, choosing players to suit an Italian system but not the English league.

Savic was useless here and I shit myself every time I saw him on the first eleven teamsheet. Nearly got sent off v Chelsea in the COMS and after that he rightly was dropped.

I chuckle when I think that the scouts passed on Nasty and went for Savic.<br /><br />-- Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:14 pm --<br /><br />

^^^This^^^ The rest deleted for accuracy, Mancini was just a part of the player acquisition board. Mancini wanted Martinez & got Garcia instead, so Garcia to City wasn't his fault.

Mancini sent a scout out for Garcia. Gregucci?

It's widely ackowledged that Mancini had to make do with his B-list in the final days of last summer's transfer window. The squad was light on numbers so it was a case of 'this is what's left, take it or leave it'. Not much of a choice for the manager of the newly crowned Premiership Champions & richest club in the world is it?

At what point do you reckon that any of those last day signings would have been Mancini's considered choices? Mancini made it very clear as soon as the season was over who he wanted. He wanted RVP, Martinez, Lavezzi, Hazard, Silva & De Rossi & look who he ended up with.

I understand completely. My point is that we went for Garcia instead of Witsel and your point makes little odds as Witsel was bought AFTER we bought Garcia.

Garcia should never have made the short-list.

 

[decmancity]

So you know that Witsel wanted to come to City?
His family were interested in moving to Manchester?

Oh you don't.

For all we know we went for Witsel but he turned us down. But that doesn't fit in with the bashing on here does it.

 

[NipHolmes]

So you know that Witsel wanted to come to City?
His family were interested in moving to Manchester?

Oh you don't.

For all we know we went for Witsel but he turned us down. But that doesn't fit in with the bashing on here does it.

Firstly stop talking top yourself, it's ridiculous.

I suppose his family just love living in Russia :/

I suppose him being friends with Kompany isn't an issue either, Fellaini just down the road too.

Fact of the matter is we went for the wrong bloody player.

 

[taconinja]

So you know that Witsel wanted to come to City?
His family were interested in moving to Manchester?

Oh you don't.

For all we know we went for Witsel but he turned us down. But that doesn't fit in with the bashing on here does it.

Firstly stop talking top yourself, it's ridiculous.

I suppose his family just love living in Russia :/

I suppose him being friends with Kompany isn't an issue either, Fellaini just down the road too.

Fact of the matter is we went for the wrong bloody player.

It's not a fact. You're being silly with the overstating.

 

[NipHolmes]

So you know that Witsel wanted to come to City?
His family were interested in moving to Manchester?

Oh you don't.

For all we know we went for Witsel but he turned us down. But that doesn't fit in with the bashing on here does it.

Firstly stop talking top yourself, it's ridiculous.

I suppose his family just love living in Russia :/

I suppose him being friends with Kompany isn't an issue either, Fellaini just down the road too.

Fact of the matter is we went for the wrong bloody player.

It's not a fact. You're being silly with the overstating.

Ok once more before I log off. We were linked with both, both were being scouted, we went for the wrong one and Witsel was a) open to a move obviously (moved to Russia ffs) and b) was even recommended to us by Vinny.

The point of my (small but now overblown) point is that we scouted the wrong player and it was obvious who was the better player. It's no coincidence that the wrongs players scouted just like at Belgrade. Problem is the scout fucks off but leaves us with a player with 4 years left on 80k+bonus a week who we will inevitably lose on when we sell him. Whether we can afford to lose is irrelevant, I hate seeing the club lose out and this was poor scouting. On my word I said last season to Kneville Neville about him and said we should go for Witsel instead as Garcia was one dimensional and not good enough. How can I spot this but a scout on £million+ a year can't?

Anyway, back to Garcia, how do you see his future panning out?

 

[taconinja]

Firstly stop talking top yourself, it's ridiculous.

I suppose his family just love living in Russia :/

I suppose him being friends with Kompany isn't an issue either, Fellaini just down the road too.

Fact of the matter is we went for the wrong bloody player.

It's not a fact. You're being silly with the overstating.

Ok once more before I log off. We were linked with both, both were being scouted, we went for the wrong one and Witsel was a) open to a move obviously (moved to Russia ffs) and b) was even recommended to us by Vinny.

The point of my (small but now overblown) point is that we scouted the wrong player and it was obvious who was the better player. It's no coincidence that the wrongs players scouted just like at Belgrade. Problem is the scout fucks off but leaves us with a player with 4 years left on 80k+bonus a week who we will inevitably lose on when we sell him. Whether we can afford to lose is irrelevant, I hate seeing the club lose out and this was poor scouting. On my word I said last season to Kneville Neville about him and said we should go for Witsel instead as Garcia was one dimensional and not good enough. How can I spot this but a scout on £million+ a year can't?

Anyway, back to Garcia, how do you see his future panning out?

I see the manager evaluating him and perhaps giving him six months to find his feet.

And the thing is I agree with your overall points. You're just doing that thing that happens on here to many people where they get dug in and then make sweeping statements based on speculation... Whether it's good speculation or not is another matter.

Anyway, have a good night and enjoy the Confederations Cup.

 

[Utter bobbins]

Firstly stop talking top yourself, it's ridiculous.

I suppose his family just love living in Russia :/

I suppose him being friends with Kompany isn't an issue either, Fellaini just down the road too.

Fact of the matter is we went for the wrong bloody player.

It's not a fact. You're being silly with the overstating.

Ok once more before I log off. We were linked with both, both were being scouted, we went for the wrong one and Witsel was a) open to a move obviously (moved to Russia ffs) and b) was even recommended to us by Vinny.

The point of my (small but now overblown) point is that we scouted the wrong player and it was obvious who was the better player. It's no coincidence that the wrongs players scouted just like at Belgrade. Problem is the scout fucks off but leaves us with a player with 4 years left on 80k+bonus a week who we will inevitably lose on when we sell him. Whether we can afford to lose is irrelevant, I hate seeing the club lose out and this was poor scouting. On my word I said last season to Kneville Neville about him and said we should go for Witsel instead as Garcia was one dimensional and not good enough. How can I spot this but a scout on £million+ a year can't?

Anyway, back to Garcia, how do you see his future panning out?

Because Nappy you are the font of all knowledge and ever fucker else knows nowt. (Well according to you anyway)

 

[NipHolmes]

It's not a fact. You're being silly with the overstating.

Ok once more before I log off. We were linked with both, both were being scouted, we went for the wrong one and Witsel was a) open to a move obviously (moved to Russia ffs) and b) was even recommended to us by Vinny.

The point of my (small but now overblown) point is that we scouted the wrong player and it was obvious who was the better player. It's no coincidence that the wrongs players scouted just like at Belgrade. Problem is the scout fucks off but leaves us with a player with 4 years left on 80k+bonus a week who we will inevitably lose on when we sell him. Whether we can afford to lose is irrelevant, I hate seeing the club lose out and this was poor scouting. On my word I said last season to Kneville Neville about him and said we should go for Witsel instead as Garcia was one dimensional and not good enough. How can I spot this but a scout on £million+ a year can't?

Anyway, back to Garcia, how do you see his future panning out?

Because Nappy you are the font of all knowledge and ever fucker else knows nowt. (Well according to you anyway)

Great post.

Bottler.

 

[Utter bobbins]

Ok once more before I log off. We were linked with both, both were being scouted, we went for the wrong one and Witsel was a) open to a move obviously (moved to Russia ffs) and b) was even recommended to us by Vinny.

The point of my (small but now overblown) point is that we scouted the wrong player and it was obvious who was the better player. It's no coincidence that the wrongs players scouted just like at Belgrade. Problem is the scout fucks off but leaves us with a player with 4 years left on 80k+bonus a week who we will inevitably lose on when we sell him. Whether we can afford to lose is irrelevant, I hate seeing the club lose out and this was poor scouting. On my word I said last season to Kneville Neville about him and said we should go for Witsel instead as Garcia was one dimensional and not good enough. How can I spot this but a scout on £million+ a year can't?

Anyway, back to Garcia, how do you see his future panning out?

Because Nappy you are the font of all knowledge and ever fucker else knows nowt. (Well according to you anyway)

Great post.

Bottler.

Plenty of time.

 

[Vienna_70]

Can anyone see us keeping Javi as a back-up centre-back, now that Kolo is leaving?

He did well when he played there alongside Lescott and obviously, with Fernandinho coming in, his opportunities are going to be limited, especially if Rodwell stays fit.

And it would save us a considerable amount of money for squad strengthening elsewhere.

 

[decmancity]

You say we picked the wrong player when we got Savic. I guess all the other managers out there and the scouts are shit because Fioremtina bought him.
As for Witsel, i am not denying he is a very good player but unless you were involved in the negotiation process you can't really be talking like you are.

You have no idea if he wanted to join, how much we offered and how much he potentially turned down. If his family wanted to move to Manchester, if he even liked Mancini or X, Y and Z.

No one gets everything right so stop having a pop because it suits.
Every manager makes mistakes when they bring in players that they believe will be better than the alternatives out there.
Bacon face buying Veron, Guardiola buying Chrygrinksy (spelling mistake).

 

[IWasHere]

To all those doubting javi, I really hope he stays and does really good to prove you all wrong. I personally believe he will do well and I have faith in him.

 

[mancunial]

To all those doubting javi, I really hope he stays and does really good to prove you all wrong. I personally believe he will do well and I have faith in him.

I hope so too, to be negative about any of our players is counter productive, he has plenty of experience he could be very valuable this season!

 

[Ducado]

Less of the arguments please

As you were

 

[Ray78]

Reading through this thread it looks like the majority of the supporters have given up on him. If Pellegrini sees something worth keeping then I will back his judgement only.

 

[mancity5]

To all those doubting javi, I really hope he stays and does really good to prove you all wrong. I personally believe he will do well and I have faith in him.

Is it cos he's good looking. Because he's really shit at football.

 

[NipHolmes]

To all those doubting javi, I really hope he stays and does really good to prove you all wrong. I personally believe he will do well and I have faith in him.

I want the lad to be the next De Rossi or Alonso. He wears blue and i want the best for my club and the people that work here.

The problem is its not an ability problem with form, its fundamentals he lacks. Forlan was flopped from the rags yet became one of the best strikers in Europe when he went to Spain (notably under Pellegrini as it happens ;)) and its simply down to the way football is played here. The tempo makes him struggle, the game he's used to isn't this raw and powerful. He used to slower possession based football. I don't rate as a top player but he will do a good job in a decent side in Spain, Italy and Portugal. Just not here.

At 80kpw +bonus we need a better alternative. Rodwell, Milner, Fernandinho, Yaya and Barry all occupy roles here that Garcia is suited to. Even when dropped deeper into CB he will contend with Kompany, Nastasic, Lescott and Richards. He's coming up short again.

Better to cut losses, wish well and move on.

 

[Mrmcfc]

To all those doubting javi, I really hope he stays and does really good to prove you all wrong. I personally believe he will do well and I have faith in him.

I want the lad to be the next De Rossi or Alonso. He wears blue and i want the best for my club and the people that work here.

The problem is its not an ability problem with form, its fundamentals he lacks. Forlan was flopped from the rags yet became one of the best strikers in Europe when he went to Spain (notably under Pellegrini as it happens ;)) and its simply down to the way football is played here. The tempo makes him struggle, the game he's used to isn't this raw and powerful. He used to slower possession based football. I don't rate as a top player but he will do a good job in a decent side in Spain, Italy and Portugal. Just not here.

At 80kpw +bonus we need a better alternative. Rodwell, Milner, Fernandinho, Yaya and Barry all occupy roles here that Garcia is suited to. Even when dropped deeper into CB he will contend with Kompany, Nastasic, Lescott and Richards. He's coming up short again.

Better to cut losses, wish well and move on.

You sir, are correct.

 

[BigOscar]

This belief that he is used to a slow, unphysical, possesion based game is utter nonsense. He came to fame playing for Benfica, who don't remotely play like that. Despite the common belief, Portuguese football is nothing like Spanish football. They play all out attack with vast amounts of runners from midfield. He was at his best playing as the holder, giving Gaitan, Witsel, Salvio, Bruno Cesar and co the licence to fly forwards, along with both fullbacks. The problem he's had so far is that unlike Witsel, Yaya has made no attempt to get back or help out defensively, meaning he's gotten overloaded.

You simply cannot play a midfield 2 if one of them isn't defending, it will make the one player chasing shadows look poor, while the lazy guy is strolling around so far away from the play they avoid the blame. Let him play alongside someone with energy like Fernandinho, Rodwell or Milner, or play him in a midfield 3, then he can be a top player for us, but if we hang him out to dry playing in a two with Yaya then he'll get continue to get exposed

 

[bluemathlady]

To all those doubting javi, I really hope he stays and does really good to prove you all wrong. I personally believe he will do well and I have faith in him.

I want the lad to be the next De Rossi or Alonso. He wears blue and i want the best for my club and the people that work here.

The problem is its not an ability problem with form, its fundamentals he lacks. Forlan was flopped from the rags yet became one of the best strikers in Europe when he went to Spain (notably under Pellegrini as it happens ;)) and its simply down to the way football is played here. The tempo makes him struggle, the game he's used to isn't this raw and powerful. He used to slower possession based football. I don't rate as a top player but he will do a good job in a decent side in Spain, Italy and Portugal. Just not here.

At 80kpw +bonus we need a better alternative. Rodwell, Milner, Fernandinho, Yaya and Barry all occupy roles here that Garcia is suited to. Even when dropped deeper into CB he will contend with Kompany, Nastasic, Lescott and Richards. He's coming up short again.

Better to cut losses, wish well and move on.

You sir, are correct.

Yup. Hes nearly as pretty as RSC though ;)