Jihadi John Is Dead

[cleavers]

I don't think anyone seriously thinks that negotiation is the answer.

Sadly a few do.

The only long-term solution is for the communities that these people operate in to reject them but Islam is an incredibly diverse religion with a number of different sects and belief systems. And even within discrete groups, there are those who are more politically extreme than others. The whole Al Qaeda/ISIS thing is a meld of radical religion and radical politics.

Of course, which is why we need to support the local communities to help fight these radicals.

 

[happychappy]

I agree, I don't have any solutions PB, its all very sad, but negotiating with them is never going to happen, because they don't want it. The IRA wanted a solution, their solution obviously (and lets not forget it wasn't just the IRA), whilst the ISIS Jihadist solution is everyone else gone, our negotiating position is pretty weak.

You do have to look at some positives, as the worlds moved into a global economy it's meant the likes of us, China, Russia, Iran and most other countries in the world working together against global terrorism, who'd have envisaged that before the fall of the Berlin wall

 

[Moriati]

Tyler Durden:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...-strike-were-99-sure-we-got-him-pentagon-says

.........At this point, with everything we know about the support Washington's regional allies have provided to Sunni militants like Emwazi, it's difficult to determine how to assess these types of stories. That is, when you foment discord on the way to creating civil war (and again, you don't have to believe the US created ISIS to believe that the US did indeed participate in stirring up the sectarian hornet's nest and that Washington's "friends" in Riyadh and Doha not to mention Ankara probably did assist Islamic State in one form or another), groups like ISIS invariably emerge, so when you go back and you kill them, you're just putting down the Frankenstein you helped to create. Does Wasington deserve a pat on the back for that? We don't know.

But what we do know is that targeting a single high profile ISIS member to grab a headline or two isn't going to cut it. Not while Russia and Iran are staging assaults on major Syrian cities.

Finally, it's worth noting that based on The Intercept's "drone papers", which reveal that nearly 90% of people killed in strikes are not the intended target, the above, if verified, would represent a small miracle for the US drone program - we wonder how much "collateral damage" there might have been.

 

[Malty]

Thank god the Americans hasn't lost their balls like the UK has.. Iraq has scared the shit out of us and turned our men to mice.. too PC.

 

[Malty]

I think David Cameron would negotiate to avoid conflict.. but the US won't negotiate with terrorists thankfully and they are the West in terms of power.

Cameron has had a cushy tenure thus far.. let's see him now - could make or break him..

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Thank god the Americans hasn't lost their balls like the UK has.. Iraq has scared the shit out of us and turned our men to mice.. too PC.

Grow up.

 

[Cheesy]

Thank god the Americans hasn't lost their balls like the UK has.. Iraq has scared the shit out of us and turned our men to mice.. too PC.

You've excelled yourself tonight. Pretty much everything you've posted has been pure unadulterated bullshit.

 

[Pam]

Thank god the Americans hasn't lost their balls like the UK has.. Iraq has scared the shit out of us and turned our men to mice.. too PC.

Are you actually suggesting we should stand up to religious extremists, bigots and murderers? You must be a racist, then. (though I might disagree with you about the Iraq remark. Ban incoming.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Thank god the Americans hasn't lost their balls like the UK has.. Iraq has scared the shit out of us and turned our men to mice.. too PC.

The Americans have fucked up everything they've got involved with by their utterly simplistic approach to complex problems. In Iraq, they should have taken out the top level of the Ba'ath party like Saddam and his immediate coterie but left the rest intact so they could still run the country. But they took the whole lot out, ripped the guts out of the army and any civil administrative capability. They had no understanding (or appeared to have no understanding) of the tense relationship between Sunni, Shia and other groups and just created a vacuum for the extremists and militias to occupy.

It also didn't help that places like Iraq and Syria were completely artificial countries carved willy-nilly out of the former Ottoman empire. Britain and France then handed these countries out to their mates in the region. Same as in Africa, where no one thought about the impact of trying to mix up racial and tribal groups who'd been largely antipathetic at best to each other before.

 

[SWP's back]

Holy fuck what is it that you people don't understand?

EVERYBODY HAS CERTAIN MINIMUM RIGHTS NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO.

That's not my opinion, that's the law (a) of this land, and (b) every other civilised nation on the planet.

Pointing out this obvious fact doesn't in any way condone what this **** did, it's just to point out that our society's consistency about this is in marked contrast with the sort of society IS want to bring about - the sort of society where you don't have rights.

Are some of you who think criminals shouldn't have any rights quite sure which side you are on?

I would imagine that human rights apply to all humans.

Cutting someone's head off on camera would suggest to me that he wasn't human. There was no trial needed, no chance of a mistrial, we all saw what he did and the second he did that he was no longer human in my opinion. And those at the COBRA meeting that sanctioned the kill.