Jihadi John Is Dead

[Prestwich_Blue]

probably.....it's war..war is a nasty business......there is no real solution to this one I'm afraid to say

No there isn't, even though some think it's all so simple.

 

[happychappy]

In this case I wouldn't agree....he'd end up in jail having easy street radicalising more of his ilk

Too true mate, that's what happened in long kesh, the Catholics became more read on South American revolutionaries and became more organised

 

[Chris in London]

Too true mate, that's what happened in long kesh, the Catholics became more read on South American revolutionaries and became more organised

On the other hand it was in prison that Mandela saw that the armed struggle was not the way.

And in the meantime he served time for blowing up a post office.

 

[happychappy]

On the other hand it was in prison that Mandela saw that the armed struggle was not the way.

And in the meantime he served time for blowing up a post office.

And it was in an Egyptian prison where ayman al-zawahiri ( bin ladens right hand man) was first indoctrinated with the basis for al-qaeda

 

[worsleyweb]

But how do you know, beyond reasonable doubt, that there was ever a 'Jihadi John' who did these things? Without a trial you don't.

In cases like this there is no need for a trial. If there is a danger he could do this again he needed taken out. It is akin to a war so you take no chances. I feel very comfortable the way he was taken out.

 

[cleavers]

probably.....it's war..war is a nasty business......there is no real solution to this one I'm afraid to say

No there isn't, even though some think it's all so simple.

In light of tonight's news from Paris (and we have no idea yet who it is obviously, but I doubt it will be anyone other than radical idiots), negotiation with these people is never ever going to be a solution.

 

[cleavers]

If there is a danger he could do this again he needed taken out.

Wasn't ever "a danger" he could do it again, he's done more of his own than he ever did "westerners".

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

In light of tonight's news from Paris (and we have no idea yet who it is obviously, but I doubt it will be anyone other than radical idiots), negotiation with these people is never ever going to be a solution.

But as I've said before, military action can't destroy an ideology either.

 

[cleavers]

But as I've said before, military action can't destroy an ideology either.

I agree, I don't have any solutions PB, its all very sad, but negotiating with them is never going to happen, because they don't want it. The IRA wanted a solution, their solution obviously (and lets not forget it wasn't just the IRA), whilst the ISIS Jihadist solution is everyone else gone, our negotiating position is pretty weak.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I agree, I don't have any solutions PB, its all very sad, but negotiating with them is never going to happen, because they don't want it. The IRA wanted a solution, their solution obviously (and lets not forget it wasn't just the IRA), whilst the ISIS Jihadist solution is everyone else gone, our negotiating position is pretty weak.

I don't think anyone seriously thinks that negotiation is the answer. The only long-term solution is for the communities that these people opertate in to reject them but Islam is an incredibly diverse religion with a number of different sects and belief systems. And even within discrete groups, there are those who are more politically extreme than others. The whole Al Qaeda/ISIS thing is a meld of radical religion and radical politics.