Jihadi John Is Dead

[malg]

Thank god the Americans hasn't lost their balls like the UK has.. Iraq has scared the shit out of us and turned our men to mice.. too PC.

There was an American general on Radio 4 last week saying that the hierarchy American military had lost a lot of confidence in the British military. He said we had gone too 'European' in our thinking, and it went back to us leaving Basra -he said the belief was that we left in a hurry so as not to take any more casualties.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

There was an American general on Radio 4 last week saying that the hierarchy American military had lost a lot of confidence in the British military. He said we had gone too 'European' in our thinking,

By 'too European' do you mean that we didn't get involved in things which weren't our business?

 

[Chris in London]

I don't think anyone seriously thinks that negotiation is the answer. The only long-term solution is for the communities that these people opertate in to reject them but Islam is an incredibly diverse religion with a number of different sects and belief systems. And even within discrete groups, there are those who are more politically extreme than others. The whole Al Qaeda/ISIS thing is a meld of radical religion and radical politics.

That depends on who you negotiate with.

The thing about a theocracy (which is what ISIS undoubtedly is) is that the radicalised killers don't suddenly decide that God wants them to start beheading infidels. They are brainwashed into it by people who know what they are doing. It is those people, the shitstirrers, who would need to be involved in any negotiated settlement, not the apes on the ground doing their dirty work.

There cannot be a military outcome to this. The west is too resilient for ISIS to get its way by its current tactics, ISIS has dug its claws too deeply into Islamic society to be stamped out. There can only be a negotiated settlement but that requires both sides to want to negotiate. At the moment there is no evidence that ISIS do. That is not to say that in five, ten, twenty years time there will not be those high up in AQ/IS that do.

 

[Chris in London]

I would imagine that human rights apply to all humans.

Cutting someone's head off on camera would suggest to me that he wasn't human. There was no trial needed, no chance of a mistrial, we all saw what he did and the second he did that he was no longer human in my opinion. And those at the COBRA meeting that sanctioned the kill.

Well the law of every civilised nation on the planet, including the one you currently live in, says you're wrong, Sam. Rights are just that, rights. They are of universal application. We don't get to pick and choose when we apply our freedoms, because if we did they wouldn't be freedoms at all.

Those at the COBRA meeting that sanctioned the kill didn't agree at all. Again, if he'd had some amazing change of heart and had come home do you think he would have been executed without trial? He was an illegal combatant in a war zone and he got what was coming to him. But we don't stoop to their level by saying that fundamental freedoms and rights can be ignored when everybody feels angry enough.

Congrats on the engagement BTW. Really pleased for you.

 

[SWP's back]

Well the law of every civilised nation on the planet, including the one you currently live in, says you're wrong, Sam. Rights are just that, rights. They are of universal application. We don't get to pick and choose when we apply our freedoms, because if we did they wouldn't be freedoms at all.

Those at the COBRA meeting that sanctioned the kill didn't agree at all. Again, if he'd had some amazing change of heart and had come home do you think he would have been executed without trial? He was an illegal combatant in a war zone and he got what was coming to him. But we don't stoop to their level by saying that fundamental freedoms and rights can be ignored when everybody feels angry enough.

Congrats on the engagement BTW. Really pleased for you.

Cheers bud.

I understand where you are coming from. I'm just glad hiding in Syria hasn't saved him from justice.

 

[Chris in London]

Cheers bud.

I understand where you are coming from. I'm just glad hiding in Syria hasn't saved him from justice.

I didn't lose much sleep over him last night I have to say.

Anyway, this girl you've rohypnolled. Come on, you know the rules.

 

[malg]

By 'too European' do you mean that we didn't get involved in things which weren't our business?

Yes.