salfordpaul said:if???? Razak plays for Brighton again i will be on here sayin sorry you were right. When he doesnt you can do what you want but you will see in time he is another jon dlaryea. he now plays for Gainsborough or guisborough or such.
salfordpaul said:Oh the u18s are 3pts clear? well if its about winning titles then Jim better dare not get his dozen or more titles out on show then and we are signing Pozo? Wrong we are buying Pozo i presume? Razaak not good enough and been sent back early from two loans. Football outside of first team is a specialist job.More coaching involved than first team. Thats why Ajax have legends and their best coaches working with their schoolboys and youths . I ASK THE QUESTION?? do we?
-- Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:25 pm --
by the way maybe we do? i just dont know who does what thesedays?
LoveCity said:Mike D said:Now we are bringing through f*ck all we have some clown calledl Welsh one of Sparkeys pal's from Blackburn who's a an absolute clueless f*ckwit and is taking the set up more backwards than forwards. The youth set up is a farce we used to be up there with the elite when Jim was around winning FA Youth Cups. Now we struggle against against dicked against the likes of Preston.
The Preston game was the EDS, a mix of age groups and this same mix beat United 4-2 also so you can't cherry pick the bad results. Our actual U18 team, the ones eligible for the FA Youth Cup (which we are out of yes but...), are top of their Premier Youth Group by 3pts with a game in hand on 2nd place Liverpool (United are 2nd from bottom).
The last generation of English/British youths has been a great disappointment (and many of these were in Jim's last group I think) with none of Bunn, Trippier, Mee, McGivern, Cunningham, Nimely, etc., looking like they will make it (Mee and Trippier already gone). But every club has generations like this and the U18 generation has a lot of promise with players like George Evans (promoted to the reserves having barely turned 17), Hiwula, Angus Gunn, and Kennedy doing very well. And now Dan Smith is about to join from Crewe and he's a special talent.
And now we're getting some top foreign teens who we would never have been able to get hold of in the past like Suarez, Rekik, and at under-16 level Pozo, Marcos Lopes, and other new signings.
Our youth system is as good as it has ever been, the standards of the first team are just so high that someone like Joey Barton would not be good enough to break through now. But if a player is good enough, like Guidetti seems to be (recent reports suggest he'll be in the first team squad next season), there should still be a chance for them.
WNRH said:No one knows if this Dan Smith is a special talent, no one has seem him play, the ones who have seen him play i.e Crewe fans don't think he is a special talent.
LoveCity said:Mike D said:Now we are bringing through f*ck all we have some clown calledl Welsh one of Sparkeys pal's from Blackburn who's a an absolute clueless f*ckwit and is taking the set up more backwards than forwards. The youth set up is a farce we used to be up there with the elite when Jim was around winning FA Youth Cups. Now we struggle against against dicked against the likes of Preston.
The Preston game was the EDS, a mix of age groups and this same mix beat United 4-2 also so you can't cherry pick the bad results. Our actual U18 team, the ones eligible for the FA Youth Cup (which we are out of yes but...), are top of their Premier Youth Group by 3pts with a game in hand on 2nd place Liverpool (United are 2nd from bottom).
The last generation of English/British youths has been a great disappointment (and many of these were in Jim's last group I think) with none of Bunn, Trippier, Mee, McGivern, Cunningham, Nimely, etc., looking like they will make it (Mee and Trippier already gone). But every club has generations like this and the U18 generation has a lot of promise with players like George Evans (promoted to the reserves having barely turned 17), Hiwula, Angus Gunn, and Kennedy doing very well. And now Dan Smith is about to join from Crewe and he's a special talent.
And now we're getting some top foreign teens who we would never have been able to get hold of in the past like Suarez, Rekik, and at under-16 level Pozo, Marcos Lopes, and other new signings.
Our youth system is as good as it has ever been, the standards of the first team are just so high that someone like Joey Barton would not be good enough to break through now. But if a player is good enough, like Guidetti seems to be (recent reports suggest he'll be in the first team squad next season), there should still be a chance for them.
LoveCity said:WNRH said:No one knows if this Dan Smith is a special talent, no one has seem him play, the ones who have seen him play i.e Crewe fans don't think he is a special talent.
Of course they have - scouts that is. When a 15 year old scores a hattrick from midfield against Liverpool U18s that catches the attention of many people in football. Smith is also in the England U17 setup now so is viewable to the public when the FA air U17 games on their site. We weren't the only top club after him. United are after another of Crewe's wonderkids, Nick Powell, who I saw at the U17 World Cup and he was good.
Soulboy said:While Arsenal have Liam Brady, Ajax use some of their golden generation from years ago, Barca employ top notch experienced youth coaches, we have Andy Welsh from Leeds United and Scot Sellars from Chesterfield.
It's like having Sam Allardyce as our next manager.
Mike D said:LoveCity said:Mike D said:Now we are bringing through f*ck all we have some clown calledl Welsh one of Sparkeys pal's from Blackburn who's a an absolute clueless f*ckwit and is taking the set up more backwards than forwards. The youth set up is a farce we used to be up there with the elite when Jim was around winning FA Youth Cups. Now we struggle against against dicked against the likes of Preston.
The Preston game was the EDS, a mix of age groups and this same mix beat United 4-2 also so you can't cherry pick the bad results. Our actual U18 team, the ones eligible for the FA Youth Cup (which we are out of yes but...), are top of their Premier Youth Group by 3pts with a game in hand on 2nd place Liverpool (United are 2nd from bottom).
The last generation of English/British youths has been a great disappointment (and many of these were in Jim's last group I think) with none of Bunn, Trippier, Mee, McGivern, Cunningham, Nimely, etc., looking like they will make it (Mee and Trippier already gone). But every club has generations like this and the U18 generation has a lot of promise with players like George Evans (promoted to the reserves having barely turned 17), Hiwula, Angus Gunn, and Kennedy doing very well. And now Dan Smith is about to join from Crewe and he's a special talent.
And now we're getting some top foreign teens who we would never have been able to get hold of in the past like Suarez, Rekik, and at under-16 level Pozo, Marcos Lopes, and other new signings.
Our youth system is as good as it has ever been, the standards of the first team are just so high that someone like Joey Barton would not be good enough to break through now. But if a player is good enough, like Guidetti seems to be (recent reports suggest he'll be in the first team squad next season), there should still be a chance for them.
How can you deny that Andy Welsh's record whilst being at the helm has been abysmul, and you can't keep using that old chestnut the crop of players aren't up to it. We were one of the best youth set ups in the country saying that we haven't got the players yet some half *rsed club like Preston can attract better is utter nonsense.
I take your point that some of the previous youth talent crops to break through would not have done so now. However when you have a someone with no track record at youth level or any level, and the tactical nounse of Frank Spencer it doesn't matter players you have we will do nothing with Some Mothers Do Av Em in charge.