Jimmy Carr

[The blue phantom]

She found it funny...



Come to think of it where's Baddiel he's never short of an opinion either. It's almost as if their outrage is selective.

She's an absolute ****, National Holocaust Day Trust statement who she supports have gone to town on Carr and condemned him, She finds it funny, I mean it's just unbelievable why she wouldn't have a pop at her very successful TV show co host.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I'm surprised he survived not paying his taxes.
Hopefully this will see the back of him.
He truely is a twat.

….who can spell! :-)

 

[urban genie]

I don't find the word Tinker offensive.

We used to call them Hedgepigs.

I don't find it offensive either, but someone probably will.

 

[Dubai Blue]

So, if I understand correctly now, this Jimmy Carr meme is actually a photoshop of a photoshop and I completely misunderstood the word “endeavour” as it related to “8 out of 10 cats…”

Got it…I think?!

And down the slippery slope we slide…

Yep

 

[urban genie]

So, if I understand correctly now, this Jimmy Carr meme is actually a photoshop of a photoshop and I completely misunderstood the word “endeavour” as it related to “8 out of 10 cats…”

Got it…I think?!

And down the slippery slope we slide…

Riley is a minefield for people to comment on.

She is an out and out tory, anti-socialist and a rag to boot, she never used to really comment politically and never mentioned her Jewish herritage, until a few years ago when she started a twitter rant about labour and it's then leader.

Some are very supportive of her as a positive message but to others she has been accused of bullying school kids online, blocking anyone she disagrees with or cannot openly debate and has selective views on what is antisemetic (sometime displaying antisemetic tropes herself) or acceptable bigotry, and anyone who criticises her, she imediately classes as a jew hating anti-semite.

There are many people battling anti-semetic hate and bigotry in general, unfortunately she tends to damage the positive messages at times.

If honest whether you agree with her at timesor not any mention will have you classed as either X or Z on the side of the debate.


But enough on her she isn't important to this thread more than a twitter share.

 

[Coatigan]

Holocaust…Jews murdered…The Horror!

Why? Because no-one thinks killing millions of Jews is anything but a racist genocide against one sliver of society!

Turn that on its head by substituting the Jews for Gypsies, a group that is often roundly decried by large segments of society, and now that it’s about people YOU MAY NOT LIKE SO MUCH, MAYBE it’s considered more acceptable? EVEN THOUGH IT OBVIOUSLY ISN’T, it’s now about a sliver of society many people do not like….

The joke is holding a mirror up to YOUR prejudices!

Holocaust joke about Jews?
Oooowww, very touchy because we have been taught, even conditioned, to believe the Holocaust was the zenith of racist hatred in “modern” society.

Make it about Gypsies?
Hmmmm…as a society, are we at the point of holding them up to the “Jew standard,” as a race, God’s chosen people, a people who have been preyed upon for centuries???

The joke is an uncomfortable look at where we, as a people, are on the spectrum of who it is OK to dismiss as not only different, but lesser.

CAN we laugh at Holocaust - Jew jokes? Awkwardly, at best, and only if they’re VERY artful in their construction and don’t promote hate. THAT is where we are with Jews and the Holocaust.

Now, change “Jews” to “Gypsies” and where are we as a people? What does it say about us if we laugh? Should we laugh? Is it socially acceptable to laugh? Does OUR TRIBE feel comfortable enough in 2022 to STILL laugh at Gypsy jokes? Even when placed in the context of German annihilation?

The cutting edge can leave a scar. In this case, the question is “On whom? The person holding up the mirror or the people looking into it?”!

So are you saying that's the puncline as such, swapping 'jews' for 'gypsies'? And in so doing highlighting hypocrisy in society? Do you think that's how it was intended, or in part implied?

I don't see it myself, but hey, in a given context, depending on delivery and reaction, why not, entirely possible. I did ask and you did offer a take on it, ta.

I'm not sure I agree with the rest od your point much though, not as a principle at least. There have been sooo many jokes about jews, ranging from almost innocent cliche stereotypes to right chilling discomfort, sarcastic or not. It is not like it is a taboo that society avoids, that swapping gypsies as the subject of jokes suddenly unlocks or exposes anything.

But as I said, maybe there is a level of subtlety in that joke that I totally missed.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Riley is a minefield for people to comment on.

She is an out and out tory, anti-socialist and a rag to boot, she never used to really comment politically and never mentioned her Jewish herritage, until a few years ago when she started a twitter rant about labour and it's then leader.

Some are very supportive of her as a positive message but to others she has been accused of bullying school kids online, blocking anyone she disagrees with or cannot openly debate and has selective views on what is antisemetic (sometime displaying antisemetic tropes herself) or acceptable bigotry, and anyone who criticises her, she imediately classes as a jew hating anti-semite.

There are many people battling anti-semetic hate and bigotry in general, unfortunately she tends to damage the positive messages at times.

If honest whether you agree with her at timesor not any mention will have you classed as either X or Z on the side of the debate.


But enough on her she isn't important to this thread more than a twitter share.

The lesson:

Being beautiful and good at maths doesn’t mean everything that comes out of your head or mouth is genius!

Cheers.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

So are you saying that's the puncline as such, swapping 'jews' for 'gypsies'? And in so doing highlighting hypocrisy in society? Do you think that's how it was intended, or in part implied?

I don't see it myself, but hey, in a given context, depending on delivery and reaction, why not, entirely possible. I did ask and you did offer a take on it, ta.

I'm not sure I agree with the rest od your point much though, not as a principle at least. There have been sooo many jokes about jews, ranging from almost innocent cliche stereotypes to right chilling discomfort, sarcastic or not. It is not like it is a taboo that society avoids, that swapping gypsies as the subject of jokes suddenly unlocks or exposes anything.

But as I said, maybe there is a level of subtlety in that joke that I totally missed.

While I think Carr can be tasteless for effect, I think he can also be very clever.

Often, I find some of the best humor is when the mirror is held up to an audience that laughs, no matter how uncomfortably. Some of that is, as was suggested, being caught up in the mob, while other times you haven’t had time to digest the deeper meaning and are laughing at some superficiality you heard.

When we stop and think about it, it’s who we are, collectively and individually, that scares us most.

EDIT: Here’s a cheap equivalency, albeit not nearly as subtle or nuanced..,

Good news, bad news.

Good news: Bus loaded with lawyers drove off a cliff today!

Bad news: There were a few open seats!

Lawyers are a much easier cohort to make fun off, and this is an old set up and joke that I’ve heard related in racist terms before. But, the essence of the joke is similar in that it’s horrific to think of a bus load of anybody dying in an horrific accident is funny, but the twist is that not only do we not like lawyers (unless we need one and they’re ours!) but we wasted an opportunity to kill a few more!

There’s no “humor” in death…or is there? And, if so, where is the line, how close can you get, and how many people are willing to cross the line with you if you dare to take the step?

From there, the question becomes, what is funnier, or scarier, that you were willing to cross the line or that in crossing the line, you have raised the mirror on yourself, your values, your beliefs, and your own sense of where the line might be?

I hope that better explains my thoughts.

Sadly, as they say about humor, the more you have to explain, the less funny it becomes!

 

[growl]

There genuinely isn't more to it.

Well, there is some context. Apparently, Carr when on to say:

"It’s a joke about the worst thing that’s ever happened in human history, and people say ‘never forget’, well this is how I remember,” he said.

“There is an educational quality. Like everyone in the room knows 6 million Jewish people lost their lives to the Nazis during the second world war. But a lot of people don’t know, because it’s not really taught in our schools, that the Nazis also killed, in their thousands, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and Jehovah’s Witnesses.”

Whether this makes it acceptable is up to the listener, of course.

 

[Coatigan]

While I think Carr can be tasteless for effect, I think he can also be very clever.

Often, I find some of the best humor is when the mirror is held up to an audience that laughs, no matter how uncomfortably. Some of that is, as was suggested, being caught up in the mob, while other times you haven’t had time to digest the deeper meaning and are laughing at some superficiality you heard.

When we stop and think about it, it’s who we are, collectively and individually, that scares us most.

If there is that layer of it, it was clearly lost on me. Thanks for your take on it.

I think he has got exactly the reaction, and exposure, he was looking for. So he is certainly clever, in that respect.