Jimmy Carr

[Bill Walker]

Absolutely fuck all.

I think it does achieve a couple of things.

If I'm offended and complain to a broadcaster, it makes the broadcaster aware that all is not pickety boo, and if enough people complain it makes the media giving publicity to the (possibly) offensive material.

And, it empathises and shows/declares support to the "victim"

 

[meltonblue]

Yeah except the more you argue it, with such a black and white take on it, the more you strengthen the joke, ironically. Not its basic line, but whats around it.

Sure, it doesn't educate you, you already know it all. But you (and others like you) talking about it rubs off passively, and will circulate and that will be happening right across discussions. Here we are, talking about something that wouldn't have talked about. Pretty much 'that's how you never forget'. Bet there were people who were there on the night laughing at it (for whatever reason btw) revisiting it.

Chicago blue was also seemingly right, it fucking holds a mirror to society. At the start of this thread, it was just a bit of a shit unfunny joke that was tasteless and unnecessary. Now it is full on racist horribly offensive and unforgivable, and should lead to wholsecale changes to how comedy is regulated. Is that not a total abstraction of how we as a society will push our entrenched views to ultimate extremes?

I agree with the sentiment of this, but the underlying question really is what’s the intention of the comedian. I do actually think it’s a very good joke in the right hands and he tells it brilliantly, he just doesn’t either contextualise it enough to begin with or hold the audience to account afterwards, either of which he
has to do to give the joke the meaning it should have outside of just being the offence itself is the joke.

 

[urban genie]

"If you've never seen me before, I don't think that, I think the opposite of that." - Stewart Lee

You could basically take any joke in Jimmy Carr's act and wilfully misrepresent it by taking it at face value rather than with the irony that it is obviously intended in the context of a longer show. I'd be interested to know how many minutes of "horrific" jokes the viewer was presumably fine with before he got to the one about the holocaust.

Jimmy carrs live routines are infamous for how many audience members walk out at times.

As for stewart lee, having seen him live twice the audience participation and context of some gags are well known and understood by those present.

His glasgow/braveheart routine was a classic, but some social media numpties did try to imply prejudice and were roundly told to fuck off.

 

[meltonblue]

Jimmy carrs live routines are infamous for how many audience members walk out at times.

As for stewart lee, having seen him live twice the audience participation and context of some gags are well known and understood by those present.

His glasgow/braveheart routine was a classic, but aome social media numpties did try to imply preuidice and were roundly told to fuck off.

Always been the issue with satire, its a very fine line and depends a lot on both how the comedian does it and if the audience is capable of understanding it as to how far they can go. Stewart Lee is just utterly superb at it.

 

[Corky]

Jimmy carrs live routines are infamous for how many audience members walk out at times.

As for stewart lee, having seen him live twice the audience participation and context of some gags are well known and understood by those present.

His glasgow/braveheart routine was a classic, but aome social media numpties did try to imply preuidice and were roundly told to fuck off.

A bit daft that after paying.

I remember Kunt of Kunt and the Gang Fame at Edinburgh, saying "you come and see an act called Kunt and the Gang, what do you expect" after a couple walked out.

That had followed him setting the premise, "they told me 'Kunt, you can't write a song about assisted suicide' - I took that as a challenge - here's a new one - Lets Take Gran to Dignitas".

But it was a different situation for Kunt as he was doing 'Free Shows', so if people walk out early they avoid the collection at the end.

 

[SWP's back]

It's not about being "easily offended" or being a snowflake. Of course we've all laughed at jokes we probably shouldn't have in the past but there are some things that aren't suitable to joke about and that's one of them.

Let's recast that "joke" to a different context. "Yeah the famine in Afghanistan/war in Syria (or Yemen) is terrible but at least there's fewer Muslims". Or "Yeah, slavery was awful but at least there were fewer black people to migrate from Africa". Or even the joke he told, but substituting Jews for Roma. He'd probably be prosecuted under Hate Speech laws and, if he'd said the first one, he'd probably be under armed guard for the rest of his life.

Between 200,000 and 300,000 Roma and Sinti people were murdered during the Holocaust. The night that the so-called Gypsy Camp in Birkenau was liquidated, in early August 1944, was apparently one of the most horrific, even in a place where unimaginable horror was a daily occurrence.

To think that Carr is effectively saying that a whole group of people who, due to the parents they were born to, aren't worthy of life, or that it's quite acceptable to murder them is completely off the scale. It's ot "edgy" and is far, far worse than suggesting young, healthy people don't need the vaccine.

No count we'll get the usual mealy-mouthed "I'm sorry if I offended anyone" apology. The problem is that the people it most offended were gassed and reduced to ashes over 75 years ago.

You didn’t find it funny, that’s fine. Don’t watch him.

I very much doubt he will apologise as he has nothing to apologise for.

 

[urban genie]

A bit daft that after paying.

I remember Kunt of Kunt and the Gang Fame at Edinburgh, saying "you come and see an act called Kunt and the Gang, what do you expect" after a couple walked out.

That had followed him setting the premise, "they told me 'Kunt, you can't write a song about assisted suicide' - I took that as a challenge - here's a new one - Lets Take Gran to Dignitas".

But it was a different situation for Kunt as he was doing 'Free Shows', so if people walk out early they avoid the collection at the end.

Thing with carr and many comedians on telly is they do their watered down versions of the act and people like them, buy a gig ticket, get jimmy doing his normal offensive stand up and then flounce

 

[SWP's back]

It's objectively racist. Whether it's acceptable or not is in the guise of stand up comedy is a very valid debate either way which we're seeing in this thread, but it is racist.

It’s a joke about “Pikeys”. It’s the same joke repeatedly made in the film Snatch that “people don’t like/hate Pikeys”.

You can find it funny or offensive or PB can get sand in his vagina and people can handwring all they want (as is their right). Carr makes 100 one liner jokes in a show. He jokes about sex, about obesity, race, rape and just about every subject. If people don’t like him or are offended then they don’t have to watch him.

 

[Corky]

Thing with carr and many comedians on telly is they do their watered down versions of the act and people like them, buy a gig ticket, get jimmy doing his normal offensive stand up and then flounce

I can understand that with him, people thinking they are getting 8 of 10 cats.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I was hoping Shirley had posted in this thread at 4am to promise payback time