Joe Hart (continued)

Puppet Master Silva said:
George Hannah said:
karen7 said:
sounds like he may play sunday but i have given up trying to read pellers,i usually get it wrong,he has a great poker face
If he does Manuel & Co will go up a notch or two in many supporters' estimation. After such a short period it's tantamount to admitting their mistake in dropping him but it would be the brave and wise thing to do for sure. It will also interesting to observe the Hart outers comments on here if it comes to pass. Sadly, I suspect us Hart inners are set to be disappointed though.

I think you've just got to be patient and keep faith in Manuel. He'll know when the right time to bring Joe back is and will get it right.

Indeed. hart still a top keeper and his form will come good. needed to be dropped for his own good. same as our arsenal pole goalkeeper who had bad spell last season. he was dropped and then came back eventually back to his old form. same will happen with hart.
 
I reckon he'll start Sunday.

Pellegrini hasn't been that coy recently over who may start in goal, before the Spurs game he said;

“I think at this moment that maybe Joe needs a rest..."

The fact he's not said a definitive answer about Sunday, but has spoken of the situation, makes me lean towards Hart.
 
Too early.

Pantelimon has done very little wrong.

I can see rotation coming a bit more .

We need to be sure Joe is in the right place when he comes back in for the good of his City career.

He is at a cross road and could go either way.
 
George Hannah said:
stonerblue said:
stonerblue said:
Are you ignoring the reply you asked me to post for you?
i'll take that as a 'yes' then.
I'm sorry , I failed to understand the question before but looking back it seems that my small attempt at light-hearted irony fell on stony ground.
Like you I know nothing at all about Joe's inner workings and appreciate his football ability only for qualities he exhibits on the pitch. Which are considerable and also considerably more than the admirable Costel and most of the names being ventilated at present.

Merci.
 
Hart’s been dropped.
Do you think that this action can be seen to be justified?
Do you hope that Joe Hart knows why he’s been dropped?
Do you think he understands why he was dropped? Answer again.
Does he appear to be taking it as well as can be expected?
The answers are probably all “yes”.
Is it chill time?
Again, probably “yes”.

Pants came in. From a fairly general goalkeeping perspective the almost universal performance assessment is…
Easy ride against NAAaarch! Big convincing/unconvincing home win in europe.
Goalkeeping assessment after defeated 1 – 0 at sunderland is that Pants “just dives a different way” to Joe. And, surprisingly easy ride against spurs. So Pants stepped up. He’s done pretty well, not without fault, but he’s done pretty ok.
And recently, when he’s been asked to, Joe’s stepped up too; eventually; for country and club, and he’s done exactly the same; pretty ok, for a keeper of his standard.
Has it really affected our play?
Not really. We’re still kinda stuttering in defence, but we’ll probably take 7-0, 6-0 and 5-2 home wins in “the best league in the world” and the champions league scattered around our seemingly eternal struggle against “them fuckin’ cats“. Overall assessment is that both keepers make their own sort of errors, but IMO all keepers make a type of error, it’s just a matter of finding one you can live with. Maybe we’ve got two (?) 1.5 maybe (?) Maybe we’re lucky to have Pants. The management obviously reckon he’s got something about him, something to hang some faith on. Joe needed dropping and he was dropped. Management’s opinion was that Pants was capable of stepping up, so they brought him in. Will it be a permanent switch? Is there such a thing as permanent in football terms? So I can’t help thinking, it’s a got to be a good place for both our keepers to be in.
Pants is number one. If he doesn’t make any really stupid mistakes (no examples necessary) or too many silly errors where the cumulative effect begins to cause concern; then he is still number one.
Joe concentrates on training and a number of future fixtures in which to stake his claim. Let’s let the trainers work on both Joe’s and Pants’ problems in training and until either Pants makes a mistake or until Joe does something worthy of regaining his place (either in training or in another game that he gets a chance in,) then we should leave it as it is. For now. I’m hoping, fairly obviously, that Joe gets his place back before Pants makes a mistake, but my City-head don’t work that way. Leicester and Bayern look like they could be the perfect opportunity for him to pull off his own “Tony Coton away at Burnley“ or “or some bloke against spurs when we got a 1-1 draw, who I can’t remember the name of,” – esque performances. Hopefully those games aren't too far away.

Maybe the management might have long-term plans in place to deal with such dips in form? I’m not one who enjoys unnecessarily bringing the tone of a conversation down, but, look at Un*t*rd and DeGae, but not for too long as it can damage your eyes. Was it last year or the year before when he was being publicly hung out to dry, for being sh*t? Who really cares when it was? After the press roasting, he was dropped and they brought that Lindergard bloke in. It is fair to say that DeGae is reasonably good now. It’s exactly the same deal here for me. I don’t really know how they'll do it. Maybe it lets the heat die down on the star-keeper whilst he gets some out-of-the-lime-light tailored training sessions, whilst new #1 does first team training (?) or putting them up against each other at skills known to be favoured be either in general keeper training to stretch both their games (?). Who knows. Anyway, Team Pellegrini have made a decision and stuck with the choice they made, for now. Fair play, our management's shown faith in Pants. Positives and negatives. It’s a game of chance and a game of opinion as much as anything, debates begin and a few hands of “blame-game” are played (currently one statistic of very little meaning is running at 18 – 3 to 4 – 2 – PIE CHARTS ANYBODY? There is a need.)
BUT.
Does it appear that there is a problem?
Has Pants done anything to deserve to be dropped?
More importantly, has Joe done anything to deserve to be given number 1 spot back?
No. The answer to all of those questions is no, not yet.

So.
Chill – YES
Panic – NO

Joe’s just getting a lot of press pressure for a return because they’re the english press and he’s the country’s keeper. Just let it run its course. Don’t read the papers.

Shit. I’ve written too much again.
 
George Hannah said:
stonerblue said:
stonerblue said:
Are you ignoring the reply you asked me to post for you?
i'll take that as a 'yes' then.
I'm sorry , I failed to understand the question before but looking back it seems that my small attempt at light-hearted irony fell on stony ground.
Like you I know nothing at all about Joe's inner workings and appreciate his football ability only for qualities he exhibits on the pitch. Which are considerable and also considerably more than the admirable Costel and most of the names being ventilated at present.

Don't bring me into it.
 
George Hannah said:
I think it is possible to chill too much and panic too little


After the Chelsea gaff Joe had to be dropped and i think most City fans will agree on that !! So pants gets his chance and until he fucks up he should keep the gloves, What motivation is there for a second string keeper if he is dropped for doing nothing wrong yet the number 1 choice is given chance after chance after mistake after mistake ??
 

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