Joe Hart (continued)

[stonerblue]

Lets see how he is when he has a proper defence in front of him again,he had a great 2nd half of the season

I wouldn't say he had a great second half to the season but rather a solid one. Although I do agree with you about reserving judgement until he plays behind a solid back four.

The goals he conceded were purely his fault against Olmypiacos imo, 1st one he was all over the place and 2nd he didn't need to rush out we had Rekik tracking the runner.

I think he bounced back well towards the end of last season and am not judging him on Pre Season form but he needs to be flawless because Willy actually looks solid.

oh piss off.

 

[Bentheblue]

Hart has serious competition now, Willie has not come to be a bench warmer.

 

[Silva Citizen]

Should we sign Neuer? Best keeper in the world & never makes mistakes.? see below...Fuckin joke you lot, I can foresee everytime the poor fucker makes a mistake this group of halfwits will be on his back. Tell me what you'd do if Willy drops a bollock in his first game? castration?

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvKU1BRkJmw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvKU1BRkJmw</a>

Anyone who thinks that the Number 1 "mistake" was a mistake has never played in goal.
Match speed, the forward tries to collect it, the keeper has to anticipate, the forward fucks it up leaving the keeper wrong footed.
No fucking way ever was Neuer to blame on that. Yes it looks funny and stupid, but no way a fuck up.
Forward misses 4 chances out of 5, no one bats an eyelid.
Keeper makes two mistakes a year and he is shit.

IMO Every prem keeper is far more consistent in his game than the forwards....
And when was the last time you saw a keeper dive ? ;)

 

[sir baconface]

It's the least important position on the pitch. Doesn't matter who you have in goal if the rest of the team performs as it should. There's a reason goalkeepers generally cost less than outfield players. How often do you hear 'the keeper had no chance' or 'he smashed it past the helpless goalkeeper'? Or even 'it would have been worse were it not for the keeper'? If a team plays well we hear the classic 'the goalkeeper was a spectator for most of the game'. We're in a position where our outfield players should be good enough that as long as we have a competent goalkeeper it doesn't matter who that is.

Both goalkeepers are more than competent so we have no need to worry. I like Hart and it is nice to have at least one English player in the first team.

A top goalie will concede several fewer goals over a season than an average one. Those goals could be the difference between winning a trophy or not.

A good example for me was Schmeichel. He used to make a real contribution to the rags' goal difference and points total.

 

[Thenumber1blue]

Great shot stopper and making himself "big" against the attacker, but he just doesn't have a head on him.

1) Needs tying to the posts with elastic, so he can't come too far out.

2) Needs to spend more time on kicking practice, because he is shit and everyone knows it.

3) For a 6'5" keeper, he does NOT command his 6 yard box on corners, let alone beyond that.

4) He is a good personality who is in danger of becoming a parody.

5) Needs to STFU giving interviews and buckle down.

6) Wouldn't surprise me AT ALL if Willy gets an extended run at some point, and Hart struggles to get back in. He is only one (more) stupid mistake in the Charity Shield away from it happening for the Newcastle game!

I've always been a fan, especially when he was a fantastic prospect, but I think other players have sussed him as a "bit of a lad" who is not living up to his full potential. I also think that is why Pelle decided to bring in someone he does trust....just in case.

What i've been saying for ages.

 

[AWolf007]

Hello all - long time forum reader, first time poster.

Was thinking about Joe and he occasional rush of blood coming off his line and putting us in a dangerous situation (i.e. - last year vs Chelsea and at least another time - Saturday against Olympiakos) and I'm very interested to see how Pellers handles it this season. He has what appears to be a world-class back-up in Caballero who in my opinion looked just as good if not better than Joe in preseason matches. More level-headed perhaps, slightly more consistent maybe.

So the question is, if Joe goes off his trolley again this year, how long will Pellers wait to pull him off and put in Willy? We can ill afford another string of dropped away games this season due partially to poor keeper play. I just hope he acts swiftly when deciding to bring in Willy if and when it is required and that we don't suffer too many negative consequences because he is "sticking by his #1".

Thoughts?

 

[Blueband Brother]

Hello all - long time forum reader, first time poster.

Was thinking about Joe and he occasional rush of blood coming off his line and putting us in a dangerous situation (i.e. - last year vs Chelsea and at least another time - Saturday against Olympiakos) and I'm very interested to see how Pellers handles it this season. He has what appears to be a world-class back-up in Caballero who in my opinion looked just as good if not better than Joe in preseason matches. More level-headed perhaps, slightly more consistent maybe.

So the question is, if Joe goes off his trolley again this year, how long will Pellers wait to pull him off and put in Willy? We can ill afford another string of dropped away games this season due partially to poor keeper play. I just hope he acts swiftly when deciding to bring in Willy if and when it is required and that we don't suffer too many negative consequences because he is "sticking by his #1".

Thoughts?

My thought is that of my frustrations and annoyance at the state of mind of many here and the constant skepticism and negativity towards Hart. As your post and other posts suggest, there is almost a psychological desire or expectation for Joe Hart to make a mistake or have a bad game so that all the irrational skeptics can come on here and attempt to justify and rationalise their criticism and disrespect for Joe Hart and his talent.

I reckon that is a sad and counterproductive state of mind but it is a natural one if you don't rate Joe Hart or you constantly berate him for whatever reason.

The guy is a top keeper, our No1 and we will need him to be at his best this season. He has more or less been a major player in our success over the past few years and we should ALL support him rather than set him up to fail even before the season has started by trying to project when he will be replaced.

Those are my thoughts.

 

[RandomJ]

Ah I see the internet goalkeeper coaches are back. Fortunately our actual goalkeeper coaches have forgotten more about coaching keepers than you will ever know.

 

[Blueband Brother]

Great shot stopper and making himself "big" against the attacker, but he just doesn't have a head on him.

1) Needs tying to the posts with elastic, so he can't come too far out.

2) Needs to spend more time on kicking practice, because he is shit and everyone knows it.

3) For a 6'5" keeper, he does NOT command his 6 yard box on corners, let alone beyond that.

4) He is a good personality who is in danger of becoming a parody.

5) Needs to STFU giving interviews and buckle down.

6) Wouldn't surprise me AT ALL if Willy gets an extended run at some point, and Hart struggles to get back in. He is only one (more) stupid mistake in the Charity Shield away from it happening for the Newcastle game!

I've always been a fan, especially when he was a fantastic prospect, but I think other players have sussed him as a "bit of a lad" who is not living up to his full potential. I also think that is why Pelle decided to bring in someone he does trust....just in case.

I utterly disagree with the message here and frankly really discouraged that people will site his interviews as one of the points against him, that is the epitome of irrational dislike for a player.People just don't like him, they don't know why, that just seems to be the case and as I have said multiple times, it is very strange indeed. Joe Hart has his flaws like every other player but he is a great keeper and we should all support him.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Hello all - long time forum reader, first time poster.

Was thinking about Joe and he occasional rush of blood coming off his line and putting us in a dangerous situation (i.e. - last year vs Chelsea and at least another time - Saturday against Olympiakos) and I'm very interested to see how Pellers handles it this season. He has what appears to be a world-class back-up in Caballero who in my opinion looked just as good if not better than Joe in preseason matches. More level-headed perhaps, slightly more consistent maybe.

So the question is, if Joe goes off his trolley again this year, how long will Pellers wait to pull him off and put in Willy? We can ill afford another string of dropped away games this season due partially to poor keeper play. I just hope he acts swiftly when deciding to bring in Willy if and when it is required and that we don't suffer too many negative consequences because he is "sticking by his #1".

Thoughts?

My thought is that of my frustrations and annoyance at the state of mind of many here and the constant skepticism and negativity towards Hart. As your post and other posts suggest, there is almost a psychological desire or expectation for Joe Hart to make a mistake or have a bad game so that all the irrational skeptics can come on here and attempt to justify and rationalise their criticism and disrespect for Joe Hart and his talent.

I reckon that is a sad and counterproductive state of mind but it is a natural one if you don't rate Joe Hart or you constantly berate him for whatever reason.

The guy is a top keeper, our No1 and we will need him to be at his best this season. He has more or less been a major player in our success over the past few years and we should ALL support him rather than set him up to fail even before the season has started by trying to project when he will be replaced.

Those are my thoughts.

That is an excellent post BB to which I'd like to add a fuckin big plus one.