Joe Hart (continued)

[grim up north]

To be expected though.
Goal one: Willy a yard to far forward and simply didn't get down quickly enough.
Goal two: Statuesc, Didn't even try and get down to it.
Goal three: Two far off his line.

Hart would have got slaughtered for that.

Yeah the defence was poor, but Willy should have done better.

Harsh

I haven't seen anything on TV but I don't think he had a chance with the goals.

Didn't Giroud's goal get a deflection? Everyone round me said it was deflected

Deflected or not if he was stood on his line he'd have been able to get a hand on it.

Why should he be on his line

 

[stonerblue]

Harsh

I haven't seen anything on TV but I don't think he had a chance with the goals.

Didn't Giroud's goal get a deflection? Everyone round me said it was deflected

Deflected or not if he was stood on his line he'd have been able to get a hand on it.

It is amazing that Joes's groupies claim that anybody noticing Joe has made a mistake cannot be a "real fan". It is pretty sad that we have "fans" who are ready to slate a new keeper after one "competitive" game.

Not as 'sad' as a so-called supporter spending 12 months on here constantly slagging our league title winning 1st choice keeper off at every opportunity.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Deflected or not if he was stood on his line he'd have been able to get a hand on it.

It is amazing that Joes's groupies claim that anybody noticing Joe has made a mistake cannot be a "real fan". It is pretty sad that we have "fans" who are ready to slate a new keeper after one "competitive" game.

Not as 'sad' as a so-called supporter spending 12 months on here constantly slagging our league title winning 1st choice keeper off at every opportunity.

Equally sad if you could find such a person. I seem to recall that it was after Joe had made several mistakes (and had already slated the defence when we lost at Madrid in the last seconds) before Hart received any criticism. Even though Joe was rushing to take goal kicks with the scores level and the game about to finish.

At the games I get behind Joe. There is a big difference between "fans" willing Willy to make mistakes in his first "competitive"
Game for us.

It also shows that they know fcuck all about football since the first two goals were right in the corners!!

 

[es1]

Harsh

I haven't seen anything on TV but I don't think he had a chance with the goals.

Didn't Giroud's goal get a deflection? Everyone round me said it was deflected

Deflected or not if he was stood on his line he'd have been able to get a hand on it.

Why should he be on his line

It's a disgrace, had willy been stood on his left hand post for the first and right hand post for the second he'd have saved them both easily

 

[BlueTG]

Lol. Willy was let down by shit defending.

I agree Joe should start against Newxastle but people trying to make Caballero a scapegoat for today is pretty poor!!

It really it comical,picking faults that weren't there to try and ignore Joe's faults.

Spot on. The first two goals were slotted right into the corners and it couldi have been 3 nil before half time but for Willy thwarting Sanchez in a 1 on 1

Joe is good but far from the World Class some on here make him out to be. If only Joe could live up to the standards of Manurl Neuer who has just been voted the German team's best player for the second year running!

Go 5 posts on this thread without mentioning Neuer. Or can't you do it? Because yet again in a debate you bring in a goalkeeper who is irrelevant. It's not about Hart reaching Neuer's standards, its about reaching the best standard he can develop at.

And again, the irony in your posts are overwhelming.

 

[stonerblue]

It is amazing that Joes's groupies claim that anybody noticing Joe has made a mistake cannot be a "real fan". It is pretty sad that we have "fans" who are ready to slate a new keeper after one "competitive" game.

Not as 'sad' as a so-called supporter spending 12 months on here constantly slagging our league title winning 1st choice keeper off at every opportunity.

Equally sad if you could find such a person. I seem to recall that it was after Joe had made several mistakes (and had already slated the defence when we lost at Madrid in the last seconds) before Hart received any criticism. Even though Joe was rushing to take goal kicks with the scores level and the game about to finish.

At the games I get behind Joe. There is a big difference between "fans" willing Willy to make mistakes in his first "competitive"
Game for us.

It also shows that they know fcuck all about football since the first two goals were right in the corners!!

How many posts do you have in this thread, and where did i blame Caballero for yesterdays goals?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

It really it comical,picking faults that weren't there to try and ignore Joe's faults.

Spot on. The first two goals were slotted right into the corners and it couldi have been 3 nil before half time but for Willy thwarting Sanchez in a 1 on 1

Joe is good but far from the World Class some on here make him out to be. If only Joe could live up to the standards of Manurl Neuer who has just been voted the German team's best player for the second year running!

Go 5 posts on this thread without mentioning Neuer. Or can't you do it? Because yet again in a debate you bring in a goalkeeper who is irrelevant. It's not about Hart reaching Neuer's standards, its about reaching the best standard he can develop at.

And again, the irony in your posts are overwhelming.

OK mate. I guy with Joe's potential should be looking to make the jump to a world Class. It is not essential if we mention other keepers names or not.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Not as 'sad' as a so-called supporter spending 12 months on here constantly slagging our league title winning 1st choice keeper off at every opportunity.

Equally sad if you could find such a person. I seem to recall that it was after Joe had made several mistakes (and had already slated the defence when we lost at Madrid in the last seconds) before Hart received any criticism. Even though Joe was rushing to take goal kicks with the scores level and the game about to finish.

At the games I get behind Joe. There is a big difference between "fans" willing Willy to make mistakes in his first "competitive"
Game for us.

It also shows that they know fcuck all about football since the first two goals were right in the corners!!

How many posts do you have in this thread, and where did i blame Caballero for yesterdays goals?

OK stoner blue. I was referring to others who were picking faults in Willy's game. They should lighten up since Joe will start at Number 1 at Newcastle and deserves to do so following his end of season form.

I don't know how many posts I have in this thread but I've hardly been on this Forum in the last fortnight.

 

[Combat Carl]

When Hart concedes goals it's cos he's shit and too busy thinking about his next advert but when Willy stands too far off his line and concedes a stupid goal he's let down by shit defending. Interesting double standard.

To be expected though.
Goal one: Willy a yard to far forward and simply didn't get down quickly enough.
Goal two: Statuesc, Didn't even try and get down to it.
Goal three: Two far off his line.

Hart would have got slaughtered for that.

Yeah the defence was poor, but Willy should have done better.

You have never played in goal have you or football at all really

No but I have and I agree with him about goal 1 and 3. I can't blame him for the 2nd though.

It's a no brainer for me, there shouldn't even be a debate about who should be starting on Sunday. For me Hart's in the top 5 in the world and personally I wouldn't swap him for anybody. In my opinion he's the best shot stopper in the world and when a striker is running down one on one with Joe there's nobody better. Granted his distribution could be a little better, I don't think he see's the early ball quick enough but it's not half as bad as some would believe on here.

 

[SebastianBlue]

To be expected though.
Goal one: Willy a yard to far forward and simply didn't get down quickly enough.
Goal two: Statuesc, Didn't even try and get down to it.
Goal three: Two far off his line.

Hart would have got slaughtered for that.

Yeah the defence was poor, but Willy should have done better.

You have never played in goal have you or football at all really

No but I have and I agree with him about goal 1 and 3. I can't blame him for the 2nd though.

It's a no brainer for me, there shouldn't even be a debate about who should be starting on Sunday. For me Hart's in the top 5 in the world and personally I wouldn't swap him for anybody. In my opinion he's the best shot stopper in the world and when a striker is running down one on one with Joe there's nobody better. Granted his distribution could be a little better, I don't think he see's the early ball quick enough but it's not half as bad as some would believe on here.

I just spoke with my nephew who is a goalkeeper for a Spanish second division club and who also watched the community shield (to study Willy's performance, specifically—he is also watching the Super Cup today). He felt Willy was not at fault for any of the goals. His analysis:

1st Goal: Willy moved out to the area they are taught to occupy to discourage the arrowed shots that are easier to attempt from that position around the box but more difficult to save for the keeper. Unfortunately, as is the case with any position, there is aways a weakness, and in this case it was the very small, difficult to pick out space on the ground just to the right or left of the keeper. It is a low probability shot, as good defenders usually cut it out, but if the player gets the attempt through it is very difficult to save. He felt it is more a product of poor defending than Willy's reflexes, which I agree with.

2nd Goal: This he felt was entirely down to our defenders, which I also wholeheartedly agree with. Boyata, surprisingly, did not do too badly to initially hold off Sanogo but Nastasic just jogged back with out picking up Ramsey's run and Clichy was not committed enough to the covering position. Willy was left to flail.

3rd Goal: He confirmed that Willy was exactly where he should have been given the position of our line and Arsenal's players. The deflection made it a shot only the very best players in the history of the game could make without that sort of intervention (obviously Giroud cannot be included in that list, so he was extremely advantaged by the change to the spin on the ball). To fault Willy for not being able to save the shot is ridiculous, in my opinion.

This is in no way an argument that he should start over Hart but his performance in the Community Shield should not be used as an example of inferiority.