Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[Akiva]

You say that me being entitled to my opinion 'means nothing'. Well, it means enough for you to take the time to comment...... I'm not casting doubt on Pep's ability - he's arguably the world's best coach/manager, but you're wrong in claiming that only those who support his decisions are genuine Blues. We're talking about a football club here, not some rogue State that deals severely with citizens who don't agree with every decision of their glorious leader. This is a forum for opinions or haven't you noticed ?

Missed the point spectacularly Harry.

Going to spell it out for you nice and simple: We've waited a long time to bring in the best manager in the world. He deserves his chance to make the team the way he believes. If you are already against him then you are putting the best interests of a player ahead of the club. This makes me question whether you really are a blue.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

Define a 'ragish post'.

A little bit of rage but not a lot ?

 

[andyhinch]

Define a 'ragish post'.

I'll ask you a question why did you only post ones I five years then start piping up now, you still haven't answered why no ones come in for him btw

 

[daztrueblue91]

100% wrong mate. Try again.

First of all you start a thread trying to use stats to say that Hart is better than Neuer, when no football fan in the world would agree with that assertion.

Then you mention that this is a forum not a 'state that deals severely with its citizens'. That's something plenty have rags have said about our owners.

Just wanted to pick up on something I noticed on a previous thread. You said how Hart has been more impressive for England than Neuer has for Germany because England have a poor defence. However, do you not see that as a flaw in Hart?

No one is denying that Hart is not a very good keeper. But if you look at his best games they have all been when we are under the cosh. Spurs, Liverpool away and in the CL Spring to mind.

The problem with Joe is that he concedes far too many when he doesn't have a lot to do in a match. West Ham and West Brom at home last season jump out. You can even add Wales and Iceland in the Euro's. He has pretty much nothing to do all game but gets beaten at his near post and concedes sloppy goals.

In the PL we are aiming to be more like Germany than England. That's why Pep wants a keeper who is 100% suited to his style.

I'd much rather take a keeper with lesser overall save stats who's playing with a top defence and wins things, than a keeper who makes save after save but his team with nothing.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Personal opinion is that I am gutted to see Joe go; however I recognise that as good as I think he is, our manager is looking for something different to what Joe provides and inevitably he will have to go. However what I will never forget the huge contribution Joe has made to us becoming one of the best sides in the world, and no less significantly his qualities as a leader and a proper bloke - never hidden, always passionate, thinks really well of the club and the fans, articulate, and even last week (for those of us still in the ground) he came onto the pitch at the end of the match to congratulate his team mates and the fans. A proper bloke and a proper Blue. Thank you Joe

 

[Terra Passenger]

First of all you start a thread trying to use stats to say that Hart is better than Neuer, when no football fan in the world would agree with that assertion.

Then you mention that this is a forum not a 'state that deals severely with its citizens'. That's something plenty have rags have said about our owners.

Just wanted to pick up on something I noticed on a previous thread. You said how Hart has been more impressive for England than Neuer has for Germany because England have a poor defence. However, do you not see that as a flaw in Hart?

No one is denying that Hart is not a very good keeper. But if you look at his best games they have all been when we are under the cosh. Spurs, Liverpool away and in the CL Spring to mind.

The problem with Joe is that he concedes far too many when he doesn't have a lot to do in a match. West Ham and West Brom at home last season jump out. You can even add Wales and Iceland in the Euro's. He has pretty much nothing to do all game but gets beaten at his near post and concedes sloppy goals.

In the PL we are aiming to be more like Germany than England. That's why Pep wants a keeper who is 100% suited to his style.

I'd much rather take a keeper with lesser overall save stats who's playing with a top defence and wins things, than a keeper who makes save after save but his team with nothing.

More to the point, Joe would still be our number one if Pep thought he could play in the manner that a keeper in Pep's system needs to play.

Joe is a fine keeper and had one of his best seasons for us last year. But he can't currently distribute the ball as well as Pep needs him to. Pep says that he could train Joe to distribute adequately given 6 months, but, in Pep's words "the time is now." In other words, he doesn't have 6 months to have a "keeper in training" in goal.

Love Joe, wish him well, but he doesn't fit Pep's style with his current skill set.

 

[Matt the Giant]

Maybe this has been brought up already, earlier in this huge thread: But, would it be so unthinkable for Hart to simply give his all and try to adapt to Pep's system, to develop? Or has he... simply given up without a fight?
Why so? I in that case wonder.

Does he see himself as too good to improve? Or does he maybe think this is something he simply cannot learn?
I hope for his sake his decision to leave isn't ego-driven.

 

[HarrytheBlue]

First of all you start a thread trying to use stats to say that Hart is better than Neuer, when no football fan in the world would agree with that assertion.

Then you mention that this is a forum not a 'state that deals severely with its citizens'. That's something plenty have rags have said about our owners.

Just wanted to pick up on something I noticed on a previous thread. You said how Hart has been more impressive for England than Neuer has for Germany because England have a poor defence. However, do you not see that as a flaw in Hart?

No one is denying that Hart is not a very good keeper. But if you look at his best games they have all been when we are under the cosh. Spurs, Liverpool away and in the CL Spring to mind.

The problem with Joe is that he concedes far too many when he doesn't have a lot to do in a match. West Ham and West Brom at home last season jump out. You can even add Wales and Iceland in the Euro's. He has pretty much nothing to do all game but gets beaten at his near post and concedes sloppy goals.

In the PL we are aiming to be more like Germany than England. That's why Pep wants a keeper who is 100% suited to his style.

I'd much rather take a keeper with lesser overall save stats who's playing with a top defence and wins things, than a keeper who makes save after save but his team with nothing.

I didn't say Joe is better than Neuer. I just quoted stats. As far as the rags thing is concerned, you're wrong again. I wasn't thinking about our owners, but I did have in mind other parts of the world where anything but utter devotion is dealt with.

 

[HarrytheBlue]

I'll ask you a question why did you only post ones I five years then start piping up now, you still haven't answered why no ones come in for him btw

How on earth do you know whether clubs are making a move ? Do you work for City ?

 

[andyhinch]

I didn't say Joe is better than Neuer. I just quoted stats. As far as the rags thing is concerned, you're wrong again. I wasn't thinking about our owners, but I did have in mind other parts of the world where anything but utter devotion is dealt with.

You've not answered my questions