he's got the best defenders in the league in front of him. He either had Vinnie + 1, or someone like Otamendi who despite errors is still a top CB. Neuer faces less shots because he is in a great team that keeps the ball, but he plays as part of that, Joe can't, which is why the manager responsible for both sides likes Neuer and doesn't like Hart. The fact remains the lynchpin of both United's and England's defence is Smalling, and if you want to argue semantics over who's better between Cahill and Blind that's up to you. So your point really doesn't stand, especially when one third of our goals conceded is in one corner of a goal where Joe is statistically more likely to concede than save it. That's a fatal flaw, not the making of a top, top keeper.