Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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To you maybe, to most I reckon he's looked convincing bar a couple of dodgy moments on his debut.
He had a few dodgy moments on his debut made a couple of decent saves since I'm still not sure how big an upgrade he is, that said he like Hart before him is suffering from some woeful defending,that is an area that needs some upgrading.
 
You mean you have twisted what he's said to make it fit your belief.
He was asked to change the way he played and basically stuck two fingers up at Pep. Got what he deserved and that wasn't the only reason he was got rid of. If you come out and say you want to improve and are still learning the game, then you should try to learn and improve when the world's best manager tells you what he wants you to do.
 
He is never coming back,he was forced out and if is unhappy he has the right to say so,in no other walk of life are people denied the right to complain about losing there position,anyway i am sure he will be respectful
To be honest, in most jobs people get sacked for slagging off their employers BUT Joe didn't do that at all.

Thought he was very diplomatic.
 
He was asked to change the way he played and basically stuck two fingers up at Pep. Got what he deserved and that wasn't the only reason he was got rid of. If you come out and say you want to improve and are still learning the game, then you should try to learn and improve when the world's best manager tells you what he wants you to do.

He certainly stuck two fingers up at him with his final performance, is this what you mean ? Or are you of the belief that he deliberately kicked the ball long in pre season to piss off Pep, at the end of the day he should have been in our net until Bravo came along, Cabelero had no right being in our net before Hart, it certainly was nothing to do with his kicking ability which has been shown to be worse than Hart's.

Bravo is an upgrade in what Pep wants a sweeper keeper and that is it at the end of the day, I fail to see why it has to be a knock on Hart's ability as a keeper or whatever he did to Mankers behind the scenes, which BTW you have alluded to several times in the past and I am sure there are several other players guilty of the same thing still at the club getting your full support, bit odd that, no ?
 
the world's best manager.

Already sick of reading that sentence, I am sure he is himself, he seems to come across a lot more humble than proclaiming to be the world's best manager, especially in situations that try to justify a decision he may have made.
 
Well having read it it's clear that he was unwilling to change and doesn't see why he should. I'd say while Pep is here, Joe won't be.

To be honest it's pretty poor, and without dragging this whole thing up again, if a manager in your workplace asks that you do something and you refuse, well you don't have a job, do you?

That is the top and bottom of this. He's now at a mid table Italian club because he didn't want to change.

What a numb fucker.

Unwilling to change yet in his last game for us he played exactly how Pep wanted him to and had 100% pass completion? The "refused to change" thing is such a load of horse shit used by people just trying to justify their hate for Joe. Pep made his mind up well before he signed the contract with City. He was never gonna give Joe a chance and that is his prerogative as manager, but no of course it's all Joe's fault and he was "sticking two fingers up at Pep" and all the other shite some people have written on here.
 
He was asked to change the way he played and basically stuck two fingers up at Pep. Got what he deserved and that wasn't the only reason he was got rid of. If you come out and say you want to improve and are still learning the game, then you should try to learn and improve when the world's best manager tells you what he wants you to do.

He is no a footballer and he can't learn to be a footballer now it is 20 years too late. It isn't possible for him to learn the skill needed, he could improve a bit but he is so far off Bravo it would be like Mangala trying to "learn and improve" to compete with SIlva. Not a chance.
 
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