Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[Prestwich_Blue]

He certainly stuck two fingers up at him with his final performance, is this what you mean ? Or are you of the belief that he deliberately kicked the ball long in pre season to piss off Pep, at the end of the day he should have been in our net until Bravo came along, Cabelero had no right being in our net before Hart, it certainly was nothing to do with his kicking ability which has been shown to be worse than Hart's.

Bravo is an upgrade in what Pep wants a sweeper keeper and that is it at the end of the day, I fail to see why it has to be a knock on Hart's ability as a keeper or whatever he did to Mankers behind the scenes, which BTW you have alluded to several times in the past and I am sure there are several other players guilty of the same thing still at the club getting your full support, bit odd that, no ?

This is nothing to do with Mancini. When I said other reasons that was something else that I'm not going to elaborate on but will say it was something that raised a huge question mark over his character and attitude.

But regardless of all that Pep made it clear to him he had to adapt to the sweeper-keeper role and Hart made it equally clear he had no intention of doing so. So he carried on playing the same way he always had, in training, in that 45 minutes against Arsenal and in the behind-closed-doors friendly in which he played the same way I'm told. That left Pep with little choice. Caballero struggled a bit with the ball at his feet but at least he gave it a go and our results were good despite him struggling at times.

If he'd come out in the interview and said "I tried to play the way Pep wanted but I know I can never be that sort of keeper so the parting of the ways was inevitable" I'd have some respect for him. But the interview comes over as a bit of arrogance and a snide dig to me but perhaps I'm reading it in the context of what I've just said.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Unwilling to change yet in his last game for us he played exactly how Pep wanted him to and had 100% pass completion? The "refused to change" thing is such a load of horse shit used by people just trying to justify their hate for Joe. Pep made his mind up well before he signed the contract with City. He was never gonna give Joe a chance and that is his prerogative as manager, but no of course it's all Joe's fault and he was "sticking two fingers up at Pep" and all the other shite some people have written on here.

Whilst I agree with you there is a lot of shit written about Joe by some to suit their point of view, it cuts both ways with his fans who over rate him as a keeper and as a person. I like Joe, like I liked many of our previous players and I was as guilty, as with many football fans, of over rating our players. I know this will upset some of his fans, but he isnt top class, he's a good keeper who in his own words in that interview didnt have any other options than Torino, a top class player has their pick of clubs when, for whatever reason, its time to move on.

Those that are harping for him to return need to move on, because he isnt getting back in as number 1 under Pep, and Joe, quite rightly, isnt going to put his career on hold waiting for Pep to move on. Pep is more important to City's progress than Hart, Pep might or might not be the best in the world, he's certainly in that conversation though, Hart will never be in the picture as the worlds best keeper, he has too many flaws in his game, good but not great.

I wish him well in Italy and wherever he ends up, if he's lucky he might get a CL club.

 

[kaz7]

Unwilling to change yet in his last game for us he played exactly how Pep wanted him to and had 100% pass completion? The "refused to change" thing is such a load of horse shit used by people just trying to justify their hate for Joe. Pep made his mind up well before he signed the contract with City. He was never gonna give Joe a chance and that is his prerogative as manager, but no of course it's all Joe's fault and he was "sticking two fingers up at Pep" and all the other shite some people have written on here.

This,he didn't have the right skill set for a new manager,no more no less,the witch hunt says more about those who are doing it than it will ever do about joe

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

This really wasn't just a footballing move, was it?

 

[BlueCityfan]

Unwilling to change yet in his last game for us he played exactly how Pep wanted him to and had 100% pass completion? The "refused to change" thing is such a load of horse shit used by people just trying to justify their hate for Joe. Pep made his mind up well before he signed the contract with City. He was never gonna give Joe a chance and that is his prerogative as manager, but no of course it's all Joe's fault and he was "sticking two fingers up at Pep" and all the other shite some people have written on here.

Oh cmon. Steau didn't press him at all. Pep said this after the game. Hart had all the time in the world on the ball because of that. If Hart had played against Spurs high press instead of Bravo. You would have seen the reason he was let go. That's why he was let go.

 

[Delphacito]

These are some weird things to say coming from Joe. Don't know why he needs to say this.

“They might be right; they might be bang on. Some people you struggle to argue with – they've got a lot of strong backing to what they say and what they do"
So the Board learnt their lesson from the Mancini debacle. Basically Joe said he wanted to argue but he didn't get the backing from the Board.

"I'm always looking, I'm always watching – I see new ideas, I like new ideas and I've got to work to my capabilities. Whatever I'm capable of, I need to be the best I can.”
Except for doing what my gaffer asked, I'm not having that.

“Not really. I've got quite a few people who I hold close to my heart and I trust and a lot of footballing opinions that I care about."
He doesn't care what Pep thinks.

Really just imagine any other player doing/saying this – Let's say Fernandinho left us because Pep wants to play the pressing game and Dinho doesn't want to press, and then he went out and say this to the press. What would you think?

 

[bluealf]

You are chatting shit, that is what I think.

 

[mancityvstoke]

hated him rubbing wig heads shoulders last night

 

[i kne albert davy]

These are some weird things to say coming from Joe. Don't know why he needs to say this.

“They might be right; they might be bang on. Some people you struggle to argue with – they've got a lot of strong backing to what they say and what they do"
So the Board learnt their lesson from the Mancini debacle. Basically Joe said he wanted to argue but he didn't get the backing from the Board.

"I'm always looking, I'm always watching – I see new ideas, I like new ideas and I've got to work to my capabilities. Whatever I'm capable of, I need to be the best I can.”
Except for doing what my gaffer asked, I'm not having that.

“Not really. I've got quite a few people who I hold close to my heart and I trust and a lot of footballing opinions that I care about."
He doesn't care what Pep thinks.

Really just imagine any other player doing/saying this – Let's say Fernandinho left us because Pep wants to play the pressing game and Dinho doesn't want to press, and then he went out and say this to the press. What would you think?

If I'm honest can't see a lot to controversial in what he's said there you seem to have just took a few lines out of what he's said and added your own take on it. Harts gone out on loan, a better club will snap him up shortly pretty sure on that we've moved on for better or worse will be reveled in due course no doubt.

 

[OB1]

This is nothing to do with Mancini. When I said other reasons that was something else that I'm not going to elaborate on but will say it was something that raised a huge question mark over his character and attitude.

But regardless of all that Pep made it clear to him he had to adapt to the sweeper-keeper role and Hart made it equally clear he had no intention of doing so. So he carried on playing the same way he always had, in training, in that 45 minutes against Arsenal and in the behind-closed-doors friendly in which he played the same way I'm told. That left Pep with little choice. Caballero struggled a bit with the ball at his feet but at least he gave it a go and our results were good despite him struggling at times.

If he'd come out in the interview and said "I tried to play the way Pep wanted but I know I can never be that sort of keeper so the parting of the ways was inevitable" I'd have some respect for him. But the interview comes over as a bit of arrogance and a snide dig to me but perhaps I'm reading it in the context of what I've just said.

I don't know what you are alluding to and I don't know if Hart refused to try and develop the skills required to please Pep but I do by chance have it on good authority that Hart's personality was an issue but not in any sinister way that I am aware of but it did not gel with what Pep wants; just one of those unfortunate situations, I think. The downside of this was probably compounded by just how highly Gunn's potential is rated by Pep, which means Hart's City career is shot.