Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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In that case I don't see the point to any sporting organisation, team, club or contest. I can't imagine 2 teams going at it for 90 minutes and the losing team going home happy that it lost. When I watch City play I watch them in expectation of them overcoming the opposition. Winning. If they lose, it spoils my whole weekend. Am I missing something. Is the Corinthian spirit still stirring amongst the untold billions that are being spent to enable teams to succeed, also known as winning. Perhaps some people have other loftier reasons for watching their team but I would take a guess that there is nothing football fans enjoy more than seeing their team win and nothing they hate more than seeing their team lose, to suggest otherwise would be a tad disingenuous.
In that case I don't see the point to any sporting organisation, team, club or contest. I can't imagine 2 teams going at it for 90 minutes and the losing team going home happy that it lost. When I watch City play I watch them in expectation of them overcoming the opposition. Winning. If they lose, it spoils my whole weekend. Am I missing something. Is the Corinthian spirit still stirring amongst the untold billions that are being spent to enable teams to succeed, also known as winning. Perhaps some people have other loftier reasons for watching their team but I would take a guess that there is nothing football fans enjoy more than seeing their team win and nothing they hate more than seeing their team lose, to suggest otherwise would be a tad disingenuous.
It's about what makes your team your team I suppose I'm trying to put across to you, It's the 'love' of the individuals which lays the foundation of the love of the club, the club you want to win. Without that, why would it matter if you won lost or drew, unless the was money at stake, ie horse racing etc.
I've no doubt it's a supply sentiment I'm spouting, but id rather the team I support are a team with morals and loyalty than a trophy machine.
 
I totally understand where you're coming from but there's another level of things too.
Older fans will remember far more about special City 'moments' in their lives far more than the wins and losses (barring the very significant ones). Their first City shirt, first match, listening to us playing in Europe on the radio etc. Winning the FA cup or the League are truly fantastic moments, definitely, but they are massively outweighed by the rich and fond memories of being a supporter than go well beyond the final score. You'd be hard pressed to find a more dramatic individual moment than the Aguero one, but over the lifetime of supporting City it will still never measure up to all the other memories combined, most of which weren't about end results.

At the risk of sounding like a hippy peace maker, I think you're both right, but at two different levels. The player changes we make are all about being the best team we can be in order to win. That's what a sporting team does, that's it's goal (pardon the pun).
But 'sport' magically offers more than that, and the drama for good and bad, and some of the memories I've mentioned above combine to make being a fan far FAR more than the end result. Otherwise, why watch at all? might as well just await the final score on a teleprinter right?

You're right that the feeling of winning is good, and the feeling of losing is not, and yet so many fans will endure the feeling of losing far more often just for the rare time they win. That defies the simple logic of it only being about winning - because if you lose more than you win, it's a net deficit. We go because we still enjoy the feeling of hope. That 'next time we might win!'.

So really, it's not all about the actual winning. It's the hope of winning, the dream of winning, and even sometimes, the 'we almost did it' moments or the plain old sentimentality of 'remember when...' and the result is almost an irrelevance when we look backwards at it.
Well put sir
 
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Brilliant post.

I am a big fan of Joe's and he's been a huge figure, but sometimes it makes sense to sell a player while they still actually have some value. Far too often have we let players run down their deals or sold for less than if we'd shifted them when we had the chance. If Joe is not in the first team plans and won't be for at least the next 3 years, he should be sold while we can get a good fee out of him. It's simply pragmatic and intelligent and on top of that, it's the best for him as a player.
 
Well put sir[
I totally understand where you're coming from but there's another level of things too.
Older fans will remember far more about special City 'moments' in their lives far more than the wins and losses (barring the very significant ones). Their first City shirt, first match, listening to us playing in Europe on the radio etc. Winning the FA cup or the League are truly fantastic moments, definitely, but they are massively outweighed by the rich and fond memories of being a supporter than go well beyond the final score. You'd be hard pressed to find a more dramatic individual moment than the Aguero one, but over the lifetime of supporting City it will still never measure up to all the other memories combined, most of which weren't about end results.

At the risk of sounding like a hippy peace maker, I think you're both right, but at two different levels. The player changes we make are all about being the best team we can be in order to win. That's what a sporting team does, that's it's goal (pardon the pun).
But 'sport' magically offers more than that, and the drama for good and bad, and some of the memories I've mentioned above combine to make being a fan far FAR more than the end result. Otherwise, why watch at all? might as well just await the final score on a teleprinter right?

You're right that the feeling of winning is good, and the feeling of losing is not, and yet so many fans will endure the feeling of losing far more often just for the rare time they win. That defies the simple logic of it only being about winning - because if you lose more than you win, it's a net deficit. We go because we still enjoy the feeling of hope. That 'next time we might win!'.

So really, it's not all about the actual winning. It's the hope of winning, the dream of winning, and even sometimes, the 'we almost did it' moments or the plain old sentimentality of 'remember when...' and the result is almost an irrelevance when we look backwards at it.
Great post. Happy memories of BBC Light wave radio commentaries on the European games and how the sound broke up and crackled, and wondering what the new young players sometimes used in those games looked like.
 
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The above represented a rare European night for many City fans.

It's like an iPod you could actually drop.
 
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Sharp? Rag : )
ha I didn't notice that!
Strictly speaking I don't think they were even around when we were in Europe in the late 70's. But a 'wireless' like that was pretty common when I was a lad.
Used to sneak one under my covers and listen to City on the radio on it - although in reality were only actually in Europe for a handful of matches! still, Kazzy Deyna, Monchengladbach, Juventus, Widzew Lodz and Standard Liege too I think... happy days!


edit: I had to change the picture! It was bugging me after you mentioned that!
 
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ha I didn't notice that!
Strictly speaking I don't think they were even around when we were in Europe in the late 70's. But a 'wireless' like that was pretty common when I was a lad.
Used to sneak one under my covers and listen to City on the radio on it - although in reality were only actually in Europe for a handful of matches! still, Kazzy Deyna, Monchengladbach and St. Etienne too I think... happy days!


edit: I had to change the picture! It was bugging me after you mentioned that!
Pmsl, sorry couldn't resist.
 
ha I didn't notice that!
- although in reality were only actually in Europe for a handful of matches! still, Kazzy Deyna, Monchengladbach, Juventus, Widzew Lodz and Standard Liege too I think... happy days!

Tueart running through from the halfway line v ac and slapping a screamer against the bar
 
Set to dropped for England as well next month by big sam. Fair to say a shitty last few months for Joe
 
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