Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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I have read two books. "Another Way of Winning" and "Pep Confidential" and believe me when I say thay if it looks like Tiki Taka then it probably is Tiki Taka.
So many times we passed the ball around the pressing defenders rushing and I was then expecting a Killer Pass, but no they stopped and allowed Sunderland to reform the 2 banks of 4 in front of them. Still early days.
You should recognise the following then from Pep confidential;

"I loathe all that passing for the sake of it, all that tiki-taka. It's so much rubbish and has no purpose. You have to pass the ball with a clear intention, with the aim of making it into the opposition's goal. It's not about passing for the sake of it."

The following day, he expands on this message in a meeting with his players.

"Be yourselves. You need to dig into your own DNA. I hate tiki-taka. Tiki-taka means passing the ball for the sake of it, with no clear intention. And it's pointless.

"Don't believe what people say. Barça didn't do tiki-taka! It's completely made up! Don't believe a word of it! In all team sports, the secret is to overload one side of the pitch so that the opponent must tilt its own defence to cope. You overload on one side and draw them in so that they leave the other side weak.

"And when we've done all that, we attack and score from the other side. That's why you have to pass the ball, but only if you're doing it with a clear intention. It's only to overload the opponent, to draw them in and then to hit them with the sucker punch. That's what our game needs to be. Nothing to do with tiki-taka."

Doesn't seem like he's talking about 15-20 passes between the goalkeeper and the centre halves there does it?
 
"Don't sell Joe Hart", has been sung home and away for ages. He comes across as passionate about City, Has had a good relationship with many in the south and east stand, although not liked by all.
Now is his chance to prove just how passionate he is about City, and fight for his place. Or if his ego is too big he can choose to leave. But I for one am not a nocker but have enjoyed his efforts for us and his (seeming anyway) displays of passion for our club. Also the many times he has pulled out great saves, and yes I know he drops the odd clanger too
 
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Clearly all you care about is winning then? For me personally, football will always be more about the passion than the glory. Winning and playing well is great but I don't just support City because of that. I go because they're my local team and I'm passionate about Manchester and my community amongst other reasons. It therefore, is not the same if we have players who seemingly don't even have a slightly similar outlook to City as I do. If that's all 'sentimental mush' to you then there's obviously no real point having a debate. No wonder our atmosphere is dreadful, it seems our fans care solely now about winning. Who does that remind you of?
I care about Manchester City being the best at it's intended purpose. And yes, that is winning every competition that it enters. To be the best of the best. That is why Sheikh Mansour has ploughed more than a billion of your British pounds into the club. That is why the academy was built. That is why we are spending milions on the finest young talent money can buy.That is why Pep is here. That is the journey we have been on for the last 8 years or so. All this has happened to enable us to win everything and then win some more. It certainly wasn't done so the players could have a rapport with the fans to make them feel good on Saturday afternoon after a hard week at work. It's not a social club. So, yes, it is all about winning. Nothing else really matters as far as football is concerned.
 
Sad he has to go but he was one day be it retirement or sold later. He has been with us and done well through our best ever period so far which makes it such a frowny face day. That said if Pep say's Bravo is the man then i trust that totally. He is the best coach in the world so i am not even thinking of questioning him. We want to get to the very top and if that needs a new sweeper keeper setup at the back then so be it.

I will be very sad to see Joe go but hopefully seeing us start to click refocuses me on the benefit of it.
 
So to summarise the Hart out camp's thoughts:

Anyone who's not doubting Harts abilities as a keeper, ability to adapt to the sweeper keeper style and commitment to the club for over 10years is either:

A) Being emotional and trying to second guess our new manager even though we've had zero confirmation that Hart is definitely going regardless of Bravo's arrival?
B) A trouble causer trying to create division amongst fans by disagreeing with their humble view on him?

I'd rather he stayed but if he goes I'm still fully behind Pep and will get behind Bravo too, although I'd rather it doesn't get dragged out too long and lets not bash him needlessly to add insult to injury. We could still have a situation where Bravo comes and Hart stays though IMO but he'd have to swallow his pride and fight for his place back putting the training in, that would depend on if the rumors of player power and tantrums have anything to them or not for me though.
 
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No, that gets on my tits too.

I am going to offer a defence here - and suggest it's a nervous reaction. I agree it annoys me too, but I really do think that's all it is - an attempt to 'laugh it off'.
You see boxers doing something similar after being floored - 'I'm ok, I'm ok' (while their legs are like jelly!).

I can certainly see why people think it's a bit smarmy, but we read a lot into body language and looks - sometimes a bit too much. To my mind, he just has a certain way about him that a lot of people don't take to. Ibrahimovic is another. A certain 'the big I am'. In a different way, Bellamy and Savage were irritants to the opposition too.

I do think he overdoes the shouting and 'angry' look too much too, but you can't shoot a guy for having irritable mannerisms!
 
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So to suhandsise the Hart out camp's thoughts:

Anyone who's not doubting Harts abilities as a keeper, ability to adapt to the sweeper keeper style and commitment to the club for over 10years is either:

A) Being emotional and trying to second guess our new manager even though we've had zero confirmation that Hart is definitely going regardless of Bravo's arrival?
B) A trouble causer trying to create division amongst fans by disagreeing with their humble view on him?

I'd rather he stayed but if he goes I'm still fully behind Pep and will get behind Bravo too, although I'd rather it doesn't get dragged out too long and lets not bash him needlessly to add insult to injury. We could still have a situation where Bravo comes and Hart stays though IMO but he'd have to swallow his pride and fight for his place back putting the training in, that would depend on if the rumors of player power and tantrums have anything to them or not for me though.
I think Pep will have been talking to the likes of Brian Kidd about what has gone on over the years going right back to the Mancini era. He'll have worked out exactly who's been up to what. I seem to remember Pep saying that he wasn't too concerned with tactics at the moment and that he was concentrating more on trying to create team spirit, or words to that effect. If that means getting rid of a few players he thinks are detrimental to team spirit, then that is what will happen regardless of ability.
 
Wow that was a long read (watching Olympics). Joe will be a legend but it's tough at the top.

Playing a very high line with traditional "fullbacks" tucking into midfield the keeper has to be quick on his feet and come out of the box when we do lose possession and also in the 60/40s be good with the ball at his feet.

Will be strange if he does go but it seems to make sense to me (which I hate to say - from what Jo has done for us)
 
What's with all the shouting and chewing gum like a speed freak? Something not right. That's apart from him being an average keeper imo.
 
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