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Re: Joe Hart

pudge said:
Joe shouldn't have had to make the save in the first place imo
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Spot on. The goalkeeper is the least important position on the pitch. Get everything in front of him right and he'll barely be tested. The shot should never have been allowed to come in. It was poor defending.
 
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First stating the obvious, Joe was not at fault because he palmed it rather than trying to hold on to a slippy wet ball, any keeper or common sense will tell you that.

Nor has he got a habit of making mistakes in the general sense, ALL players will make some, like Silva playing the short pass so carlessly, DJ coming over all fairy and half making a p*ss poor tackle on the edge of the box, and the rest of the defence still asleep as the rebound was knocked in.

We dont just have the best keeper in the premier (Imho), we have one of the best in the world already, with time on his side to improve with experiance, so rather than pick out when, in your opinion he makes "A mistake", look at how many times he makes saves that other keepers would not get near.

We are lucky to have him, even more so when you remember that dogs bast*d who used to pollute the managers office was all for selling him for peanuts.
 
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masterwig said:
pudge said:
Joe shouldn't have had to make the save in the first place imo
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Spot on. The goalkeeper is the least important position on the pitch. Get everything in front of him right and he'll barely be tested. The shot should never have been allowed to come in. It was poor defending.
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Wrong, IMO the keeper is the MOST important player on the pitch. The strength of the team comes from the keeper, through the back 4 and into midfield. If the defenders are constantly having to bail the keeper out the team plays with less confidence in it. If you want to be consistent week in, week out and win the league you need a top class keeper.

Joe Hart is that man for us, he's still young and yes he will make mistakes, he will learn how to deal with those low balls that bounce just in front of him so that there is less chance of a follow up, but I'd rather him be making the initial save than it squirming under his body or him not quite reaching it next to the post. Shite happens- we've been caught for 2 goals this season by giving the ball away sloppily in midfield as other players commit to going forward. We've got to learn to react and close down quickly when this happens.
 
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Every keeper makes the odd parry into his own area, the defenders have to be ready for this and the midfielders have to keep the ball around the edge of your area. It was a poor goal to concede and in no way down to Joe Hart alone.

It probably just goes to show what high standards we've come to expect from such a young fantastic keeper that a parry into the box your talking about looking for a replacement in 6 months time. Also goes to show how unrealistic your expectations are though, if you can find a keeper who never makes a mistake then you've found the best in the world.
 
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Class keeper, he can be a bit dodgy but he is young?
His goal kicks are most at fault.
 
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I agree he could have done better (similar to Munich)

But he can potentially be one of the best keepers in the world, hes young and learning
 
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Stillsy said:
As a keeper myself I can tell you Joe wasn't at fault for the goal last night.

Joe positioned himself perfectly to parry the ball out towards the right of the box (his right) but at the last minute the ball dipped an awful lot and he has adjusted himself amazingly quick and he has saved the ball from underneath himself and unfortunately his defenders were not alert and cani got free.

He did amazingly well stopping the shot in the first place.
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I'd agree with this
 
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dom12345 said:
Class keeper, he can be a bit dodgy but he is young?
His goal kicks are most at fault.
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And kicking out of his hands to someone on the wing, but this aspect is better than Given. He's learned to only do this occasionally and we retain posession more, that's a good sign.
 
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Like a few have already said... The shot shouldn't have come in as Silva's lay off was poor and then de Jong didn't put a tackle in.

But, I can't help but feel he should be pushing those shots out wide rather than back into play. It was wet so holding on to it would have been difficult but surely pushing the shot wide isn't too much to ask?
 
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He has two faults in his game. He parries poorly and he occasionally slices a simple kick. The first has cost us several goals, the second will do.

But he is the best keeper in England and he is young.
 
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He's normally fantastic so it's a bit harsh to single him out.

Yes he should have parried wider, but Cani shouldn't have been allowed to react ahead of our defence. 3 of our 4 goals against in the CL have come from Parries, and that's not good enough. Hart couldn't have done much better with the parries against Bayern, but the defence could have been quicker.

Silva's pass to De Jong was too casual and careless, and De Jong's tackle was half hearted. There's at least 3 other players who should equally share the blame for the first goal. Talking about replacing one of the brightest keepers in Europe is frankly laughable.
 
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Why are people so blinkered towards Hart? Yes he is a class act and I wouldn't replace him but yes he was at fault again.

He was at fault in Munich for his parry on the first shot of the first goal and again last night. villa away last year the pea roller shot he parried straight to Bent.

If he cuts this out of his game he will be the best around. Tip it round the post Joe FFS!
 
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i remember last year he made two mistakes against the games against leicester and there were calls for him to be replaced. best keeper in the league by far, no keeper is 100% focused all season, they have little blips because they are human.
 
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There were 3 people at fault for last nights goal, I'd suggest it was 25% Silva's fault, 60% De Jong and 15% Hart.

Silva started the incident off by underhitting his pass to De Jong, thus giving the Villarreal player a change to reach it first. De Jong compounded the issue by, inexplicably, not cleaning ball and man out with a typical De Jong style tackle. Hart then put the final nail in the coffin by failing to push Rossi's shot out wide, instead allowing it to stay in the danger area and giving Cani the chance to score.

So, in short, I agree that Hart should shoulder some of the blame, but he there were other more culpable players on the pitch.
 
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ALL pro-footballers make mistakes - it happens not every save is perfect and we're talking small margins if we're saying he didnt parry it out far enough. I'll have the keeper that doesnt make any mistakes then - sorry there isn't one. Neuer is a class keeper but I thought he dived too early last night for a shot which came off defender for an OG for Napoli which I think he could have saved if he stood up longer.

You can be sure if Bob, Kiddo and Platt consider he has a weakness at parrying they'll be working on it hard in training with the keeping coaches. JH is young for a Prem keeper and will get better IMO. If he doesnt we may well look elsewhere but not in the next 6 months.

It would be interesting to see if there are stats to show numbers of perceived keeper errors (resulting in goals) per minutes played and where Joe rates my feeling is it would show him as one of the best. Any stattos out there?
 
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Probably been said already but can't be arsed to read...

The majority of goals scored on us this season have been tap ins that he had already saved. His defense isn't following up and clearing. In fact, I'd like to see that exact stat. I don't think many have been scored against us from a straight shot on goal.
 
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utter bollocks, if your going to blame anyone, blame de- jong, worst tackle this season.
 
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