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The Sunday Mail have gone to town on him today (for a change!) a 2 page 'Hart Moniter' which is an open attack on him thinly disguised as a match report and then some more. Also the Sunday Times has Souness mouthing off saying he should be dropped for England's games next week and replaced with the Norwich keeper who has all of 1 cap. Amazing.
 
Fuck me, the BBC are still at it only this time they've forgot to put the writers name on it.

Manchester City boss Manuel Pellegrini admitted he gave serious consideration to dropping England goalkeeper Joe Hart for City's home victory over Everton.
Hart, who has been widely criticised for some obvious errors in recent weeks, was beaten by Romelu Lukaku as Everton went ahead before losing 3-1.
And the goal raised further questions about the keeper's form.
Good starter Hart
Despite concerns over his form, Joe Hart had not conceded a goal in the first half of the Premier League this season until Romelu Lukaku's strike for Everton.

"It wasn't a simple decision [to play Hart]. It was a very difficult decision," Pellegrini said.
"But I think Joe needs the trust of all us, from me, the other players, the fans."
City's other senior keepers are Costel Pantilimon and Richard Wright, neither of whom have played a league game for City.
England's number one Hart has two crucial World Cup qualifiers against Montenegro and Poland later this month and has been backed by international manager Roy Hodgson.
And Pellegrini has been impressed with the keeper's response to his dip in form.
"It was not an easy game for Joe but he did not have too much work," Pellegrini added. "He is mentally strong. I spoke long with him after the match against Bayern Munich. It was not an easy decision because I was not sure how he would react.
"Of course, he feels he didn't do well and was guilty, but he showed how strong his character is.
"But after talking with him I felt he had the character to play today and I am very happy for him.
"I am always talking with the players and my staff. It was a decision I decided yesterday. But how near, it doesn't matter - he played."
 
Jimfv1 said:
He isn't playing as well as he did two seasons ago, that is indisputable. Yesterday's performance was OK, the goal wasn't only down to him, Lescott was partly to blame and Lukaku is proving to be a very good striker.

Hart can be criticised due to the fact that we have seen how good he can be, and at the moment he isn't reaching those heights, his development seems to have stopped. His distribution is of most concern, he is definitely suffering from a loss of confidence. Against Bayern he wasn't comfortable passing the ball to his defenders and kept kicking the ball long, he was worried about how quickly Bayern were closing players down, yesterday he was more comfortable, but when he did kick long we often lost possession.

The coaches need to help him out, or maybe only Joe can work at what is going wrong at the moment, he only has to look at the other keepers around him in the Premier league and realise they do some things better than him, but also make mistakes too. He'll come good again I'm sure, and as long as we keep scoring at the other end then he'll get his confidence back.

When he almost lost the ball to Lukaku in the second half was the low point of his game, but after that moment he seemed to improve, and finished the game very well.

It does seem that some technical problems must have crept into the game. He's just not making saves that he used to, routinely. A few years ago he had a problem palming shots back into the path of strikers. He sorted that out but now seems to have developed the opposite problem, just not stopping shots. Aren't the coaches there to help him with those issues? Identify the weakness and work with him to eradicate it?

If he sorts out the technical issues his confidence should recover. I still think he needs to keep playing while he sorts out the problems. Once he's "taken out of the firing line" it just makes it more difficult to bring him back.
 
Just watching Hart's England understudy John Ruddy for Norwich against Chelsea and if the press think Joe's not good enough then god help them if Ruddy gets the call.
 
TGR said:
The Sunday Mail have gone to town on him today (for a change!) a 2 page 'Hart Moniter' which is an open attack on him thinly disguised as a match report and then some more. Also the Sunday Times has Souness mouthing off saying he should be dropped for England's games next week and replaced with the Norwich keeper who has all of 1 cap. Amazing.
Bet Souness is regretting that article now!
 
I have never been overly impressed with Ruddy but the Celtic keeper looks more than useful.
 
People keep talking about Hart in the context of England. I don't care if Ruddy had a good or bad game or what some tabloid is saying about him.

I want City to have a GK in the world's top 5 and Hart hasn't shown that kind of form for a very long time now. Has Guzan kept up his good form of late or not?
 
Bottomless_Sailor said:
wayne71 said:
On foxtel Bosnich slated him for not saving that today and reckoned any top class GK should have stopped that.
I thought the same thing upon watching the goal.

It wasn't a mistake but I think an in-form Joe Hart gets down faster.

However one judges it, one things certain - Bosnich wouldn't have saved it. Fat c**t<br /><br />-- Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:14 pm --<br /><br />
Mr Partridge said:
FantasyIreland said:
Andy Dunn from The Mirror
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You know it is a crisis when support verges on sympathy. That is how it is with Joe Hart.

The extra round of applause in the pre-match roll call, pundits tripping over themselves to absolve him of blame, an exaggerated cheer for a routine save and man-hugs all round after the final whistle.

He even did a spot of passionate badge-tugging as he disappeared into the tunnel, one of the last to exit.

Boy, he knows the pressure is on.

“The players, staff, manager and fans trust in Joe Hart,” declared Manuel Pellegrini.

Yep, sure they do.

They would like him to get back to his commanding best… but trust?

It is questionable whether even his defenders trust him right now.

Harsh? Perhaps. But Hart has to be judged by his own exacting standards. By those standards – and he would certainly like to think they are world class – Hart was again at fault for a goal.

He was not the only one at fault, for sure. Joleon Lescott was doubly culpable with some remarkably dozy defending in the first place.

But Romelu Lukaku gave Hart a reasonable chance to make the save – and he did not take it. Right now, when Hart gets a hand to a ball, there is every chance it is merely to delay the inevitable by just a fraction.

Romelu Lukaka of Everton rounds Joe Hart of Manchester City Saved... just: Romelu Lukaka of Everton rounds Joe Hart of Manchester City
Michael Steele


If Hart was not mired in such dubious form, his role in Everton’s only goal of a captivating match might have gone relatively unnoticed.

The second half indecision – whether to clear or take a loose pass back into his own area – would not warrant a mention, nor the strictly unimaginative distribution.

But Hart, rightly, is under forensic examination. Not just as a result of his abysmal evening against Bayern Munich but for a calendar year pockmarked with uncertain moments.

Maybe it all started 12 months ago in Warsaw when he lost his bearings for the goal that earned Poland a point.

The Poles will be presenting themselves again in ten days’ time and English hopes of automatic World Cup qualification will be at stake.

And you can cling to a couple of standard sliding stops and a good effort to divert a Kevin Mirallas header (which, typically maybe, was rendered irrelevant by an assistant referee’s flag) as flimsy evidence that Hart’s class is permanent.

But there is no doubt he goes into this international twin bill with inconsistency an unwelcome companion.

Of course there really is no international debate to be had. When your alternatives are, with respect, Fraser Forster and John Ruddy, any discussion is brief.

The alternatives at the Etihad are not much more serious. This was Hart’s 121st consecutive Premier League appearance. Reserve keeper Costel Pantilimon has not played a minute in the competition. No wonder Pellegrini ended his own debate on the side of Hart.

Yet while Roy Hodgson’s choice is Hobson’s choice, Pellegrini will surely bring in sterner rivalry for Hart in the transfer window.

He needs it. And he probably realises it. When he dropped on to a straightforward shot from Arouna Kone late in the game, he smothered it with a body load of relief.

“England’s No.1,” came the appreciation from a smattering in the stands.

True enough. But whether that is something to celebrate remains to be seen.


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So typical of the English mentality. Having spent so long bigging him up as one of the best in the world, we are now absolutely desperate to see him fail. We wonder why the England team has struggled for so long, it always will do while the media insists on treating players like this.

Mind you I never take Andy Dunn seriously anyway, he is the Adrian Durham of newspapers.

The fact that he's an utter tit notwithstanding, surely even Dunn can see the irony. As if the 'exaggerated cheers' for routine saves and pundits 'tripping over themselves' to absolve him of all blame is any different to the headline-mongering, 'exaggerated' criticism of him in the last few weeks, which has seen pundits 'tripping over themselves' to blame him for every goal we concede.
 
Joe is being set up for the catastrophe if it occurs called England, it would be a good thing if he got a minor knock because these failed managers are wiring up to give it him royal.
 
Can't believe that nobody in the media has picked up on the shocking howler Joe made in the warm-up. You can see it on the OS highlights. One of the mascots was taking a penalty against him and beat him with ease.

if he can't keep it out when a 7 year old is shooting at him then England are fucked on Friday.
 
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