Joey Barton

[Oystercatcher28]

Having an opinion that she, whoever it may be is a shit pundit doesn’t make you a misogynist in the same way a woman saying he is a shit pundit doesn’t make you a misandrist.

Biggest problem is too many are too quick with the pile on with the name calling and labelling.

Can't take someone seriously if he's allegedly beaten his wife, and it had been thrown out on the legal equivalent of VAR.
And with his track record, mothing he speaks deserves any traction. Look at the rapsheet by the French FA. The boy is a heaving pile of turdish misogyny. That's without thinking about his new love of the word meritocracy.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

The only decent female pundit i will listen to is the Chelsea manager Emma Hayes , she knows her stuff and talks sense , i also like Jill Scott she has some insight into the game.
In my era i was lucky enough to witness great commentators like David Coleman , Barry Davies , Gerald Sinstadt , Motty and others who didnt have an agenda , it was straight forward observational commentary , the snide digs at players and clubs was minimal if any at all.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Haha yes racism and sexism. Great work haha.

Anybody offering to empty Ratboy has my attention.

 

[mattcity5]

Having an opinion that she, whoever it may be is a shit pundit doesn’t make you a misogynist in the same way a woman saying he is a shit pundit doesn’t make you a misandrist.

Biggest problem is too many are too quick with the pile on with the name calling and labelling.

Not read all the way through the thread and I'm not going to, but if you think he's just said some woman is a shit pundit then you've missed a hell of a lot.

Nowt wrong with saying a pundit is shit, but he's gone way past that.

He's a prick and the likes of him make the world a bit shitter for everyone except himself.

 

[Bantamgaz]

The only decent female pundit i will listen to is the Chelsea manager Emma Hayes , she knows her stuff and talks sense , i also like Jill Scott she has some insight into the game.
In my era i was lucky enough to witness great commentators like David Coleman , Barry Davies , Gerald Sinstadt , Motty and others who didnt have an agenda , it was straight forward observational commentary , the snide digs at players and clubs was minimal if any at all.

Yeah but the sly digs at clubs is to please a bunch of gloryhunting pricks who jumped on Skys bandwagon when football became cool to watch............... i said before that i actually dont mind female pundits so long as they know what they are on about sadly some like the men are thick as shit

 

[Ric]

Questioning the ability of individual pundits is fair enough (fwiw, I don’t think there are many good ones, regardless of gender). However, Barton’s view is that women shouldn’t be allowed to do punditry for men’s games, full stop. That stance is obviously inherently sexist.

 

[blueinsa]

Not read all the way through the thread and I'm not going to, but if you think he's just said some woman is a shit pundit then you've missed a hell of a lot.

Nowt wrong with saying a pundit is shit, but he's gone way past that.

He's a prick and the likes of him make the world a bit shitter for everyone except himself.

You should take the time to read it then rather than picking a post in isolation, failing to understand what I was saying in relation to certain posts and coming up with 2+2=5 and trying to say I’ve missed a hell of a lot, thinking that is all he has said.

 

[Blue and true]

Questioning the ability of individual pundits is fair enough (fwiw, I don’t think there are many good ones, regardless of gender). However, Barton’s view is that women shouldn’t be allowed to do punditry for men’s games, full stop. That stance is obviously inherently sexist.

It's sad how this needs spelling out for some.

 

[mattcity5]

Questioning the ability of individual pundits is fair enough (fwiw, I don’t think there are many good ones, regardless of gender). However, Barton’s view is that women shouldn’t be allowed to do punditry for men’s games, full stop. That stance is obviously inherently sexist.

I'd extend that further Ric. He basically said women shouldn't speak about men's football because if a low standard men's team played a top women's team they'd batter them.

This is true, but the majority of the reason behind that is why most men and women's sport is separate - physical build. It doesn't mean that an eloquent female ex-pro can't explain tactics or what certain situations are like from a player's perspective.

Meanwhile most of the top male ex-pros just talk about getting stuck in and haven't a clue how top sides approach games these days anyway.

Continuing his theme, he must also be suggesting that the likes of Serena Williams shouldn't speak about men's tennis and Paula Radcliffe shouldn't speak about men's athletics because she isnt as quick as a man.

What he's saying is very different to just saying some female experts are rubbish. And to be honest, even when he's doing that part he's doing it in a really unnecessarily nasty way. He's an absolute wanker and shouldn't be given the air time.

 

[Jesus2020]

Just popping in to say that this? Is why I stopped posting here (this thread came up on a search). Because I am a woman and I am a football fan and according to posters like this, I don’t belong here. Even if I was a City fan, I wouldn’t belong here.

Barton doesn’t have a problem with men commentating on women’s games. Odd, that.

I'm with you on this in that being female shouldn't mean you can't comment on games, or be a pundit. I think the issue is when females are given these roles based on nothing other than being female and meeting a quota. Barton does have a point, it's just a shame the way he makes it means no one will give it any real debate.